No. 8 - Matters of the Heart with Travis Day
Travis Day is a highly intuitive IHDS Certified Guide who attracts powerful beings on the verge of transformation. My West-Coast buddy is a 1/3 Splenic Projector with Power View and Kitchens Environment, and credits his Channel of Initiation (25-51) for his growing collection of experiences guiding Manifestors. Trav opens up about his transformative realizations around value and self-worth once he entered his 30s, and how embracing his Human Design set him on a path to genuine self-acknowledgment. Before his Human Design studies, Travis didn’t resonate with being spiritual or interested in occult studies, so how did this surfer dude stuck in his Not-Self trial and error his way to success? Our conversation meanders through the roles and dynamics of Projectors and Manifestors, shedding light on the delicate art of guidance, the impact of recognition, and the surprising vulnerabilities that can lie beneath a self-sufficient exterior.
Listen to Travis’s podcast, Neutrino Seas, where I interview him to kick off a new season of his show aimed at inspiring listeners to get messy, make mistakes and have some fun on this all too serious Human Design experiment.
Find Trav's work at:
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@travis.day
Vaness Henry: 0:03
It's Vaness Henry, you're listening to insights, my private podcast exclusively for community members like you. Here's my latest insight. I've invited my buddy, Trav, on today to talk about all matters of the heart, specifically the ego. Travis Day is a 1-3 splenic projector. He's a kitchen's environment and he's power view two depths that I really enjoy exploring. And he's this cool guy who's traveled the world. Cool surfer, dude, energy on the West Coast, beautiful blonde hair. He's got a vibe, he's got an energy. Trav, welcome to the show.
Travis Day: 0:50
Thanks for having me. I love that you call me Trav, because literally no one else does.
Vaness Henry: 0:56
I always speak to people and give them like a little nickname. I don't know why I do it. I picked it up from a fellow manifestor in my teens and it immediately put like — my name is Vanessa Rae Henry and I go by Vaness Henry and so many people think Vaness is my - some weird name.
Travis Day: 1:13
Yeah I thought that too.
Vaness Henry: 1:26
I know right? Everyone is like, “Vaness? Queceque c’est ça? What is this interesting language?” Um but I really wanted people to feel like they were friends with me right away. I wanted to move right into that frequency, and so I tend to do that with people. I tend to give them a little nickname, and sometimes they like it Sometimes they don't, but it sticks you know what I mean it sticks, it sticks.
Vaness Henry: 1:38
So thanks for coming on the show, Something that we talked about over on your podcast, Cirque and the Neutrino Seeds. It's a very cute cover, by the way. I'm a very I'm just very into that and I love that cover. While we were having a conversation over there, something that you had said to me that struck me was I've had zero self-worth and I was like quoi.
Vaness Henry: 2:05
How interesting, Because typically we hear about ego beings. Now you are an ego being. This is how I came into communication with Travis. I thought Travis was an ego projector, somebody that I've been looking for him on the hunt for, and I found out Travis was ego defined, but his authority was splenic. But I love the way he spoke to the ego experience and so much so that I was. I was tricked, I was like this could be a, this could be an ego projector.
Vaness Henry: 2:32
Wasn't joke was on me. So when I I loved how you spoke about the ego experience from the projector perspective, but also I was surprised to hear that there had been no-transcript you as a place where, like I, have no self-worth or low self-worth or shitty self-worth because of the place that I've met you now it doesn't seem to be where you're at. So can you tell us a little bit more about that?
Travis Day: 3:23
Yeah, I mean, when I found human design, my life took a 180, a complete 180. And the biggest thing that's happened to me is I've started to feel my ego for the first time. So I had one of my first readings. They said wow, with an ego like yours, having no self-worth what a bitter experience that must have been.
Vaness Henry: 3:45
Holy, what a statement.
Travis Day: 3:47
And I was like, wow, yes, someone sees me. It was so insanely bitter. So I think that defined ego, I mean having an open ego, not self. That's an issue, right, because that's the number one theme of trying to prove yourself. If you're not self and you have an ego, I think it may almost even be worse, because for me.
Travis Day: 4:10
I was so willful, but I was so willful trying to be who I wasn't trying to be my not self. So I joke like I had the best not self, because I'm the best. I have an ego, but it turned into something that was destroying me. For me, it was this voice in my head that really amplified all my open centers You're lazy, you're not good enough, you're never going to make it, no one sees you. It kind of took my openness and then really put this ego quality into it, like I had to.
Vaness Henry: 4:45
Yeah, yeah.
Travis Day: 4:46
Yeah, it was just very willfully destructive. And it makes sense to me now that I know human design. It's like where you're defined, when you're not self, those are the areas that are going to suffer, and so that really made sense to me. I was like, oh okay, I was so, not self. Of course I never had an ego. It couldn't naturally express itself because I was so, not self. Of course I never had an ego. It couldn't naturally express itself because I was getting in my own way. So to me it makes a lot of sense, I think to a lot of people when they first come to human design, they think that the definition, the qualities that are defined in their chart, should be expressing, and I'm like, no, that's not how it works.
Travis Day: 5:23
It's layered and layered and layered under.
Vaness Henry: 5:24
You're not self-propelled I would love to explore your other definition then, because if I'm not in, if I'm in a challenging space, my definition is really going to suffer. You have a defined ego, a defined spleen and a defined g center, and you can really see where the suffering was in your ego. Can you see where the suffering was in your ego? Can you see where the suffering was and, let's say, your g and your spleen?
Travis Day: 5:49
oh yeah I'd love to hear it I would oh yeah, I have such a funny design, I'm such a uh, you have a cute design.
Vaness Henry: 5:56
I love this little design. Little ball of energy in the middle, it's so kitchens, it's so power view, it's so right at the core and center of things.
Travis Day: 6:04
It really is, but it's my ego. I'm like I tell people now like I'm full of myself. My ego connects to my identity, like literally it's in there. I'm full of myself and I can be very cold, the spleen. You know, the spleen is a very cool, sometimes even cold frequency. When it's, you know, it's all about me and my and my survival. So when I had the best reading with a lock I don't know if you know, I'm sure you know a lock, I love that manifestor man, emotional manifestor, and he was like look you, you know, when you were born you thought you were God's gift to the world.
Travis Day: 6:38
You know, you're just ready to take it all. Like that's the ego, it's like what's here for us, Like let's, let's enjoy it, let's like let's take it. So, coming to terms with that, I, I can be alone. You know, I'm a, I'm a one three, I can be self-centered. I can be cold because of the of the spleen. I can be maybe narcissistic sometimes because of the super defined G center. Well, I'm a single, single definition, Like there's so much in me, that's, that's very independent.
Vaness Henry: 7:09
Let's talk about love. Let's talk about batters of the heart, because the G center is also a little love frequency in there.
Travis Day: 7:14
It's a lot of love.
Vaness Henry: 7:15
It's a lot. Okay, you said it. How was that area then impacted, when your self-worth wasn't in a desirable space?
Travis Day: 7:22
Well, I thought I hated myself. When, how can you attract, then? Do you mean connecting with other people? Or how I felt about myself. I think actually, I love my love life.
Vaness Henry: 7:34
When it comes to matter, I'm a six line, let's go there. But when it comes to love, I'd imagine you're going to experience some challenge there. Then, if you're operating from this not so place and you're also projector male body and so much of your experience too is being encouraged like to be, this alpha male goes after the female, like saying, and so I can only imagine that there might've been experiences where that didn't necessarily go so well, especially if you're supposed to wait for the invitation or the sign that there's that energetic opening to approach.
Vaness Henry: 8:07
Maybe you were really adept at that right away, but I would imagine if you were, I'd imagine if you're in a space of like I'm not feeling great about myself and I may be not super aware that I'm not feeling great about myself. It would have a pretty significant impact on the intimate relationships in your life.
Travis Day: 8:23
Here's the interesting thing about my chart.
Vaness Henry: 8:26
Tell me, tell me where you find yourself interesting. I would love to hear.
Travis Day: 8:30
This has been the destruction of all of my intimate relationships, and it makes so much sense now that I know these deeper layers. One, three, ego, single death. Uh cool, you know universal love, not the personal love you know it's. This is the very well.
Vaness Henry: 8:50
There is personal love in there too but just loving out in the world, yeah loving everything.
Travis Day: 8:55
Yeah, all four gates of my incarnation cross are collective. Yeah, about sharing, and they're in open centers. They're not part of my definition at all. So how did that happen? I am so open and ready to adapt to anybody and share and commune together. But at a certain point I am so done adapting and then I go back into my definition, which is so self-centered and self-contained and I don't need anybody and I can be very alone and I need a lot of alone time.
Travis Day: 9:33
So I would get in these relationships, initiating as a not self-manifest or going after something I liked or I want, I'm lonely or whatever. I would get in these relationships. They would have all of me and I would adapt and it would be great. And then all of a sudden I could just close the book and be like, oh, time for me time to be in my definition now, and they would be like what the fuck happened? He was so sharing and so collective in my incarnation cross and then and then it's gone. So that's been like such a fascinating thing to understand about my chart and my purpose, which is my, my incarnation cross, versus my definition and them not being, not being connected and being very different I love that you brought this up because I was really impacted by a reading I had once by kip winsett.
Vaness Henry: 10:23
I was just telling you about this before we started talking, but this is a different thing. But I love to get just like you got a reading from Alec. I like to get readings from people, not that I need to be informed on any part of my depths, but I love to hear the take and perspective of someone else. One of the classic things, you see, is listen to what opinions you have about your design. When you're looking at them, right, I'm self-centered, I'm the I'm like okay, I don't perceive you that way at all, but I understand that your experience might have shown you that and that's a narrative that exists there.
Vaness Henry: 10:54
But something that was really impactful for me when I had my reading with Kip was the way he spoke about my incarnation cross, like you being rooted in the root and the G center, in which I have undefined, and there are all these ways, these different combinations of somebody could activate my G or my root, or both or neither, and how that's going to affect my experience as a cross of healing. Can you speak more about this, because I actually don't think this is something that people are very familiar with and having that projector perspective and that projector touch, I think would be really nice. On the differences, like our incarnation cross experience does depend on where are those gates and is that center, defined or undefined.
Travis Day: 11:37
Yeah, the way I describe it is when I'm not with someone is when I'm not with someone, I feel like I don't really exist. I feel like I'm lacking purpose. I feel like I'm in just my own little space. But when I'm connecting and I'm guiding, and those centers are turned on and those gates are activated, I turn into a different person and I feel like, oh my god, I'm so full of life, I'm so full of purpose. Everything is is great. Like I really get this fulfillment when I'm guiding Totally, when I'm by myself. Love fulfillment though, too. It's, it's, it's pure fulfillment.
Vaness Henry: 12:16
Is is what it is Cause it's like satisfaction for the generator. What would be an equivalent kind of language that we can understand and relate to fulfillment Sounds like a really good one for a projector.
Travis Day: 12:25
Yeah, oh, recognition.
Vaness Henry: 12:27
I know, but, like, as, as the sound person, you're wanting the sensation of being filled. You know, like I'm full up of this. So when you say I'm fulfilled, like when I'm, I feel very in my own world. However, when I'm invited to guide, there's this fulfilling energy that I'm feeling because I'm being recognized. But in me, what am I experiencing? Anyways, loved that.
Travis Day: 12:49
It's love.
Vaness Henry: 12:50
Yeah.
Travis Day: 12:51
Yeah, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 12:52
Now you are even a little bit of a reputation for being the tough guy who can got he's laughing. I said tough guy being the tough guy who can guide manifestors. And if I was going to pluck the perfect projector guide to give some loving guidance to any manifestor, I would select an ego defined dude who's a projector. Who's a projector? Because in the manifestor community when you're a female bodied manifestor, there's a whole extra piece of study for you that raw went in about the particular challenges you will face in an initiatory body but a female form.
Vaness Henry: 13:36
So when we need guidance, it's not like we do need projector guidance at time. Nobody can ask the brilliant questions the way the projector can. Nobody can see the manifestor the way the projector can. It's very good for manifestors to have kinship with fellow manifestors for the sake of healing. But when a projector says something to me directly or indirectly, I do consider it with a different ear and I do let it linger and I do try to listen to what are they actually seeing in me? What are they actually calling out of me? I'm going to go discuss this with my projectory team. You know what I mean. I really like to listen, and it's not the faint of heart who can guide a fucking manifestor. And so it's no surprise to me that it would be this beautiful, able-bodied white man with an ego who comes in, who has learned a certain thing that the female manifestor does need to learn. But you've learned it in a different way and you can speak to the manifestor, particularly the female manifestor, I want to say in a way where it says I have a sort of understanding of your experience in a different way and you can present questions to us to present questions to the field, Like you don't ever want to ask a manifest or a question, but you have this way of guiding them by presenting the information to the field that allows the manifestor to go. Wow, he really sees me. And how do I feel about this? What angle do I want to come at this with? I've never experienced you telling the manifestor what to do. Want to come at this with. I've never experienced you telling the manifestor what to do. In fact, I've seen you create content for the manifestor. It takes some courage, right, it takes some fucking courage to do that.
Vaness Henry: 15:12
To the point where I was like how's this guy know so much about manifestors? Like, where did this guy's training come from? And I started watching you with a different eye. Was he in a relationship with a manifestor? Was he raised by manifestors? Did he have manifestor children? What was it that gave him this experience that he actually can recognize how to guide a manifestor? Because, honestly, Trav, most people out there don't and they can make some mistakes with the manifestor, and that's just part of the manifestor's journey and I think sometimes people can get intimidated by manifestors. But once you just find out, we're big bumbling babies and we need to be treated like traumatized children. It's not that challenging, Like, how would you speak to a little kid who had a really hard life? Basically you would. You would adjust your language. So where did you get all this experience and understanding? Why the manifestor? Why do you guide so many of them?
Travis Day: 16:01
I don't know. I don't know why people show up in my life. You know that's been the best thing of human design. I have no choice. Like when I started doing this, they just started showing up and I didn't think anything of it until later when I started to realize like oh, this is actually really unique. Like not many people are attracting a lot of manifestor clients and for some reason I'm attracting tons of manifestor clients.
Vaness Henry: 16:23
Well, and you create your content around that. So you're like I'm tracking and I'm talking about it. It's more, more, more. So we start to watch like who is this guy?
Travis Day: 16:30
I don't create my content just comes through me Totally. And at those points where it was all I was getting all these downloads about manifestors, that was it, and I was just sharing it. It wasn't like I have a target audience and now I'm going to talk you know it has nothing to do with that. But I've talked with other people who have the 2551, who are projectors, and they have a similar experience of working with a lot of manifestors. So I wonder if it's this channel of initiation that can really maybe get through to the manifestor in your aura. You know, you guys need a little bit of a little bit more oomph, possibly, or maybe even seeing in a projector Okay, he, you know, he, he can, he knows that frequency, you know. So I always tell people like guiding is so nuanced and this is something a lot of people don't understand, especially projectors when they're new is you think, oh, you guide, you just give people advice. No, that couldn't be further from the truth.
Vaness Henry: 17:29
What is it? What is it? What is it to guide as a projector? What is that experience?
Travis Day: 17:33
Each person is, it's not advice. No, well, it can be advice sometimes. Really, if you look at it with types, it's so funny the projector and the projector. When I have a projector client, it's like we're just chatting.
Vaness Henry: 17:46
It's like we're guiding each other.
Travis Day: 17:48
We're in each other swirling around.
Travis Day: 17:50
That's it. We could give advice and ask questions and look around. It's easy Generator. It's more like I'm sculpting or dancing or wielding Love. That that really feels like guiding. It really feels like I'm molding this like beautiful energy, in a way that they can, you know, become aware of something. When I'm guiding a manifestor, I really just shut the fuck up and sit there and witness them and let them know that hey, I'm seeing you, yeah, I'm here, I'm and I tell people. The funny thing is you wouldn't think it would be this way, but I think manifestors need the most softness and care and real support. You have to be cared for and coddled, almost, and you guys have these appearances of like oh, we're independent and we don't need anybody. You've got to think of them as little wounded babies.
Vaness Henry: 18:48
Honestly, I've been barking about this for years because there's some mystifying persona that these are these great big warriors. You know, just, I get it, orically speaking, yeah. However, you know that's a trick to protect themselves. They really they usually have had challenging experiences as a child because there was a lack of awareness on the way their energy works and they usually, in my experience, if they're anywhere under 30 or between 30 and 40, they haven't fully unpacked and understood what has happened to, or they're just beginning to fully unpacked and understood what has happened to, or they're just beginning to, and that can be a really well beneath anger. For the manifestor is grief, and so the reason the anger is coming up is this unprocessed grief within. So when the other types or fellow manifestors meet a manifestor to drop into this frequency, like you're kneeling, like hey, buddy, what's going on? Like it put them in almost like a kid energy, because it is that coddling soft, it's not disrespectful, like it's not belittling that they're a child, but deeply respecting the inner child in them. So then, when the projector comes, projectors so brilliant at their capacity to observe, so the manifestors just live in their fucking life and the projectors watching and goes no-transcript, them disconnect out of survival. And so when you're being guided and somebody does see something in you or call something out, I don't see people who too often get angry, but they could go away for a while Like you might not hear them from them for a bit, cause they're like oh fuck, someone saw me in something. And there is this gentle way that it does need to be delivered to them, because if you've lived your life with this armor and then something gets in the underneath the armor, you're not used to that, it's not a familiar feeling, so it could be extra pokey because the reason you're all dense with your aura is because you're protecting this gooey center. So when something gets in the gooey center it's like, oh shit, you know what I mean, oh God. Anyway, I love that perspective of coddling. I know how that could sound.
Vaness Henry: 21:39
But when you just view the manifestor as, think of them as the baby of the energy types, how would you tell this to a baby? Like you need to meet them with that kind of gentleness and compassion. But then I got to tell you, after kind of discovering that and feeling that for myself, I kind of started embodying that with no matter who I worked with, speak to their inner child, meet them at that inner child state, whether they're a manifestor, projector, reflector oh my gosh, the reflectors I've worked with now and the things I've seen through, reflectors who I admittedly know the least about because that's who I work with. The least the impact I can have from a reflector is I need a season to recover.
Vaness Henry: 22:19
Basically, you know and I can work with people who are unwell or have had really challenging experiences, and to meet the person, meet their inner child, can be hard to hold, like when you're guiding someone and you hear about the things they've been through or you're witnessing you can see their traumas playing out in them and they're not aware it can be a bit devastating. So how do you navigate that Like? When you see something challenging, how do you lovingly guide?
Travis Day: 22:45
Oh God, that's a hard question.
Vaness Henry: 22:47
My like have you ever seen something that was like wow, this is really fucking upsetting.
Travis Day: 22:52
Yeah, I mean, I have tears all the time. I uh, I'm so good at relating and understanding and uh, you know the 44, 26 I'm. I'm spleenic. When someone's in front of me and there's something happening, I'm in it with them.
Vaness Henry: 23:05
Yeah, totally.
Travis Day: 23:06
So sometimes it needs you know what, honestly, the answer is. Most of the time I just shut up.
Vaness Henry: 23:11
Yeah.
Travis Day: 23:12
When something is unfolding like that, if I say something, it it ruins the unfolding, it ruins the like. Something's shifting, something's changing in those moments, so it's so uncomfortable to not say anything but that, god, I think that might be the key to guidance. The underrated, under known fact of guiding is just knowing when to shut the fuck up and just be there and not say anything and not move and not you know it sounds.
Vaness Henry: 23:43
It sounds like witnessing, hey, like holding presence as a, as a manifestor, that's been really healing for me. I don't need someone to come in and fix my problems for me, I need someone to just hear me out and listen to me, because it feels like no one's listening to me or it feels like someone's just trying to swoop in and fix the problem for me. I find, when I work intimately with people one-to-one, especially manifestors, but also, at this point, anyone I will take notes to what they're sharing with me, let's say on Voxer, and I will send it back. Like I'm not saying any guidance, I'm not.
Vaness Henry: 24:15
It's like look at what you said actually, and I find people can be really impacted because you're showing them I was listening to you, I heard you, and for them to read back their own words sometimes it's like, oh, like it can be, like I do think that you know because we we miss it in the echo chamber of our head sometimes as it's coming out. So when there's just someone there that witnesses it and is honestly their energy saying I hear you, but their actions are showing that they were heard, that can facilitate so much healing and you'd be surprised how not everyone is resilient enough to really hold presence and witness? Yeah, that their own. You know things come up and they have to move in to fix it for them.
Travis Day: 24:58
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 25:00
Do you see this with projectors, or is this just something that's like? We all go through this.
Travis Day: 25:04
No well, we probably all go through it a bit. I really think, as a projector, we're here to slow everyone down.
Vaness Henry: 25:12
Oh, I love that.
Travis Day: 25:13
That's what we're here for. It's like, hey, everyone, you're going too fast, like if I could fix one thing, it would be to turn the speed dial down on everybody Totally.
Travis Day: 25:22
Because, transformation can't happen, witnessing can't happen, awareness can't happen unless you stop for a minute and take a look around. It's like when COVID happened and we all went into lockdown. That was like such a beautiful representation of the projector's awareness. Come to my speed. I was like, oh, everybody's operating at my speed. Now this is interesting. And what happened? Everyone started to wake up. It was like the giant projector in the sky said stop everybody. And then what? No one said this. Hey, you're doing your life wrong. Everybody started to cultivate their own awareness and ask themselves their own questions Do I like my job? Wow, I've been on this hamster wheel for the last 20 years. Let me take, take a look. But you have, do I like?
Vaness Henry: 26:06
my partner Like.
Travis Day: 26:08
I'm locked in with one person.
Vaness Henry: 26:09
You know, like do I even. We saw a lot of well cause. People were just together because it was familiar, the love had been lost or life was so complex, complicatedly, like braided together, you know. And I felt I saw a lot of people start to what happened. What was your? What was your scene during the pandemic? Were you living alone? What was your?
Travis Day: 26:30
I just I had just started dating my uh 4-1-22-12 manifestor girlfriend.
Vaness Henry: 26:37
Oh my.
Travis Day: 26:39
Right before the pandemic.
Vaness Henry: 26:41
So grace gate of grace emotional manifestor 4-1. Wow, what the fuck was that like with a close-up to a 4-1? You're going on their journey, right, wait. But you were like, were we even dating? There's some blanketed mystery around this, but I didn't realize during even dating like this. So there's some some blanketed mystery around this, but I didn't realize during the lockdown yeah, that's how, that's when it happened, and you were holed up with a manifestor, okay, well, and you wonder why you coach and, sorry, you wonder why you buy manifestors now.
Vaness Henry: 27:09
Yeah well, you probably had some crazy ass training I loved every second of it.
Travis Day: 27:13
I love that woman. She is, uh, so amazing and so impactful and so clueless, you know, so like like all the things. But it was a crash course and she, we were both. We met each other when we were both very not self and going through big issues in our lives, so we came together in a bit of a time where we just needed someone and then we had so much healing during those four years, and especially during the pandemic, it was very sweet to be with someone.
Vaness Henry: 27:42
Like okay, there it is. So you grew in adoration for the manifestor. You were impacted by the manifestor during a vulnerable time.
Travis Day: 27:50
That makes such sense Four years of her move through trauma and four years of witnessing what she?
Vaness Henry: 27:57
Well, under projector guidance, though, though right, like you could say, like you're there influencing the aura, witnessing, holding presence, you're, you're, you're hemming and hawing, like I don't take too much credit, but like let's just back up for a minute there. And she I'm assuming she wasn't aware she was a manifestor. You were beginning the journey of learning, you were a projector and you have this dynamic and, as you're learning, you have this incredible teacher around you at all times, fucking impacting you. You're going to naturally, you're going to naturally align and start to offer them some kind of warm guidance in a way that works for them. So you so you had some intense training during a lockdown, yeah, Wow yeah.
Vaness Henry: 28:34
And I'm hearing the ego being and the just how, how graciously are talking about this person. There was an adoration that was developed there Ego and adoring, and you know what I mean. Like it's just because had you cozied up to a generator, we might be in a different scene. Are you in touch with this person now? No, you don't have to go into this, but are you in touch? You're not in touch with this person now you have to go into this, but are you in touch?
Travis Day: 28:58
you're not in touch. No, because so much we we could be so much of the manifestor experience, this.
Vaness Henry: 29:03
This can make people feel a way, but we can sometimes have our greatest impact when we, our auras are gone, like once we leave. Yeah, once we remove our aura from your aura is when, like all the realizations can actually happen. Does that resonate with you?
Travis Day: 29:16
yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened. She left and I went on a trip and came back and kind of was like maybe we are meant to be together, you know, maybe, and all the feelings of just missing her impact and missing her aura and like wanting to get back together and yeah it was hard.
Vaness Henry: 29:36
You're playing to my six line heart. Here Are you guys in communication.
Travis Day: 29:39
No, she. She started dating someone pretty much like while we were, while we were splitting up you know she's a four, you know, don't leave here, don't leave your lover until you have another lover, kind of deal.
Vaness Henry: 29:53
So you have all this understanding around it, and yet you still have your human feelings and experiences. How do you contend with that?
Travis Day: 29:59
Time.
Vaness Henry: 30:01
Yeah, pace, hey, projectors teaching us about that pace and slowing down and feeling our feelings.
Travis Day: 30:06
Feeling it all and watching it change and just watching the awareness around like, okay, I you know I'm to be cliche as hell. I'm really at a point in my life and with human design where I'm like if it's meant to be, it's going to be totally, you're at, you're around year four, aren't you? Yeah, a little over.
Vaness Henry: 30:23
Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, it's like I'm not initiating anything anymore.
Vaness Henry: 30:27
No, and we I classically see this like after year three, there can be some kind of breakup with your study in some way. Or you break up with your community, or you go through a breakup like some kind of third line. You know three, experience happens. And then, around year four, there's this distancing of like who are my people actually? Who do I not give a fuck about, what do I actually need from this? And so it's everything is unfolding. I think, yeah, absolutely Perfectly. I wanted to return to something that we had kind of started with talking about this concept of self-worth, and that you were perhaps in a place of low self-worth or realizing that your self-worth needed to go through a little bit of a transformation. How did you do that? What did that journey look like? Let's say, somebody is listening to us and they are struggling with their ego, whether it's defined or not. To hear from somebody who had low self-worth and really says, yeah, like I felt like a piece of shit. What was the journey like to move away from that feeling?
Travis Day: 31:24
I read about what a projector was yeah that was and it it hit me.
Travis Day: 31:32
it was the first time I had ever been seen, ever been recognized, ever been described and given the permission to be slow and to be not the worker and to be everything I was telling myself I needed to be. It was reading. I went to you know Richard Beaumont. He has human dot design. So when I first was told to look up my human design, they told me go to human dot design and you can get a free mini report. I was like, okay, cool, and he not to plug him or anything, but he offers you this mini report that it has a lot of information in it for free. It's really awesome.
Vaness Henry: 32:10
It goes through all your centers. My reading with Kip was three fucking hours.
Travis Day: 32:14
I sent him two payments.
Vaness Henry: 32:16
I was like like I feel like I underpaid for this. I just want you to know, I'm circulating it again. He's like, oh my gosh, thank you so much. I was like, why is this three hours? I charged double for 30 fucking minutes. So he's like your manifestor, raw, did that at the end. It was quick and dirty, and he's like I like to blah, blah, blah, and I was like, well, I felt some kind of way anyways. Anyways, these readings from these first generation human design studiers, though, are impactful, yeah.
Travis Day: 32:43
The most impactful. The most impactful? Yeah, because they hold the frequency of the original transmission. Exactly that's what it is we're second generation.
Vaness Henry: 32:53
We're helping disseminate it into modern society and apply it and practice with it what works, what doesn't work, who are our people there's? We're here doing a different thing with it, but yeah, to interact with people like Richard or Kip, yeah, it's pretty profound Anyway.
Travis Day: 33:09
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 33:09
You had an experience.
Travis Day: 33:11
That was it. I read it and it resonated so deeply to my inner experience and who I know I am, that it just was a fucking weight off of my shoulders and I instantly said, okay, this came from my birth time totally you know like this okay, I'm gonna trust this and not trust all the other people around me who are conditioning me and telling me I should be something else because that doesn't feel right, this feels right.
Travis Day: 33:46
So it was really human design that gave me that first mission slip to love myself for who I am and not have to be someone else.
Vaness Henry: 33:56
So I want to do a little bit of poking then, because when I started coming into the space, it was very like female, dominant female bodies, and there was this conversation of like where are the men Like? All these first generation people are all male, like what? What is with that? And then I really found the 2020s Like when we hit the 2020s, we're in lockdown energy. More men came into the space, but there there was a different like, there was a different approach and exactly what you're saying. Men were kind of like, and women as well, but specifically in this example, a lot of men were like this is for my fucking birth time.
Vaness Henry: 34:32
Like okay, like, like you know what I mean. What was your experience like with that? Like, was there this reluctance to like? You know what I mean. What was your experience like with that? Like, was there this reluctance to like? Or what did you think about fucking astrology? Or you know what I mean before yeah before the 2020s? Where were you on your awareness and acceptance of, let's say, occult studies or awareness languages?
Travis Day: 34:54
yeah, I had never considered myself a spiritual guy when. I was in my, not self. I hated everybody. The world was stupid. Nothing made sense. I was very much a hater into all that shit. My older sister, who has been just a beautiful shining light for me to follow. She's such an amazing person. But she started getting into all the spiritual stuff. What's her design? She's a generator. She's a 1-3 peer generator.
Vaness Henry: 35:24
We love a peer generator in this house. We love them Lots of integration.
Travis Day: 35:27
Okay yeah, she's just amazing. And so she got me an astrology reading once for like a birthday and that was fun for me. It was like, okay, I can make it whatever. But really what happened was when I was I'm pisces oh yeah, and you're surfer dude.
Vaness Henry: 35:43
I love that so much. Do you know your moon sign and rising sign by chance?
Travis Day: 35:46
I don't know it by heart yeah, I'm an aries, moon and aquarius rising, oh my gosh, I didn't know we shared aries moon yeah that makes a lot of sense okay right when you hear it's like duh yeah um, but but leo rising over here.
Vaness Henry: 36:01
So aquarius, cool little quirky dude and and suddenly the surfing does make way more sense. To me it always made sense because surfing is a huge part of your life. But I was looking at it from the perspective of shores and kitchen, you know yeah which, which we will kind of get to, but I want to just make sure we have the enough of the moment with your sister and the guidance that she gave you, and you had this astrology reading, yeah.
Travis Day: 36:24
I'll fast track this, this story. Anyways, when I was 30, I was so anti drug and anti, you know. My conditioned view was like hippies are losers and all you know all that typical stuff.
Vaness Henry: 36:40
So my sister Funny hey where we go.
Travis Day: 36:41
Hello, never going to get a tattoo Like God it's so funny what your mind tells you you're never going to do. And then you're like, okay, this is stupid. My sister invited me out for my 30th birthday to do a Native American sweat, which was completely life-changing, and then after it was a two-day ceremony connect, you know whatever. We then went to the hudson valley where she was helping this man write his book. She would uh, she's like a creative writer and helps people to creatively get their story out when they're writing. And she was helping this man who happened to be a shaman and was doing plant medicine journeys.
Vaness Henry: 37:21
You know I love all this, yeah, so she invited me.
Travis Day: 37:24
She didn't tell me we were going to be taking any drugs because I probably wouldn't have done it at that point. But I did a plant medicine ceremony with my brother and my sister and the shaman and his cousin, before these big groups were coming in. So it wasn't a hallucinogenic, it was just a, it was sassafras, it was a heart opener and, holy shit, vanessa, like my heart was a cold, hard rock for most of my life. It was just closed.
Travis Day: 37:52
There was. You couldn't get in there, and so this blasted my heart open and I had these truths come out of me that were had been there my whole life, that I didn't even know were there.
Vaness Henry: 38:02
Wow yeah, very healing.
Travis Day: 38:03
So it was. That was the first time when I realized, dude, you don't know shit and you need some help, and this stuff that you claim is bad and for losers, and I was so judgmental. That was the turning point where I was like, okay, I don't know anything, there is things out there that can help me and I'm gonna start to pursue these things.
Vaness Henry: 38:31
So it really just proved my judgments and thoughts wrong and I then had to look at it my whole life I have a little weird ability from my astrology days, like when I see someone's birth information, I know we really focus on like their major three, like sun, moon rising, but when I see, okay, he's born 87, I know he's got a wound in chiron and or, excuse me, a wound in Chiron, he's got his Chiron wound in Gemini and I know that he's going to be on Aries North node kind of journey and I felt like I was hearing some of that in this. Like the wound in Gemini can sometimes be around understanding. You know, what do I understand? How do I understand the world? How do I understand myself or others? It can also be around communication. It can also be a lot of learning with siblings or having experiences with siblings. Sometimes the siblings can even be competition.
Vaness Henry: 39:24
But there's a wound here in needing to express the true self. Well, let's just say express the self. Now, when you filter this on an Aries kind of journey, going your own way and moving away from the way, let's say, the family unit did things, whatever the family unit kind of means, and it sounds like these things were kind of happening to you like around the Saturn return, like you're around probably 30, right, you're needing to go through this fucking awareness shift or whatever the, however you want to look at that, and you're one three. Yet we all kind of go through these arcs and little, these themes, these little stories. So I was wondering you you have this brilliant capacity to recognize, you're very aware when you are looking at your story what happened that closed the heart down in such a way in your first 30 years of life? What were your experiences that made you feel you had to behave that way, which led to low self-worth?
Travis Day: 40:23
Yeah, mine was just conditioning from my parents and then they divorced when I was 14.
Vaness Henry: 40:30
Okay, big life event.
Travis Day: 40:32
Huge life event. It was all we ever knew. My parents never fought. We thought everything was fine, okay, so a everything was fine Okay, so a little trickery. Trickery, yeah. And then, once they split, my dad remarried very quickly.
Vaness Henry: 40:47
We see that a lot with men, usually six months yeah.
Travis Day: 40:50
Yeah, it was very fast and then did not get along with the stepmom and that was pretty much it. It was like okay now I'm going to go live with mom and dad's. Dad's kind of gone, so I think there was a lot of feelings of abandonment and for sure you know what's wrong. What's wrong with me and my dad was the typical hard work, you know. Get your job, make your money.
Vaness Henry: 41:12
Uh, be the man of the time Right. So totally, yeah, he was, yeah, he he was.
Travis Day: 41:17
So it was a lot, a lot of that just feeling lost, feeling like I'm on my own. My mom's working now she's not home a lot, so it was kind of just like we went from this insanely amazing, uh loving childhood to all of a sudden my parents are divorced and boom, they're gone and now we're alone. What the fuck?
Vaness Henry: 41:35
so that child doesn't know if they're coming or going. Like that, yeah, the whole world has been rattled. Oh, for sure.
Travis Day: 41:42
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 41:42
Yeah, you know my parents when my dad got sick, his parents, so my grandparents didn't want them explaining things to me and my sister. They're like it's too hard for them, it's too heavy for them, like this is very intense, don't tell, tell them this. And my parents decided that is not the way we're gonna do it. We're gonna talk to our kids and I always feel a great respect for my parents because had they not fucking told us like my dad would, would was sick, he lost his hair, he had this surgery on his brain where, like the whole back of his head was removed. Like what are you gonna fucking explain to me? Like what are you? What are you going to fucking explain to me? Like what are you going to? You're going to weave some fabricated lie, all under the guise of you think you're protecting me. You know that hurts.
Vaness Henry: 42:26
So then there's this trust breakdown between the parent and the child, you know, and that's a big breakdown, even things like lying about fucking Santa Claus or the tooth fairy, like we think it's so trivial and whatever.
Vaness Henry: 42:39
But then it does create separation between the child and the adult, once they have found that the parent betrayed them in some way and it's not this huge betrayal. You know there's different levels of betrayal, but we think our parents are, are like everything they've got our back and then when there's something that happens that makes us feel maybe they don't have my back, your worldview can really. It's so scary and you're still developing and growing and you don't understand. Then you become an adult and you realize some of these things that happened to you and then you realize shit, I might be a little bit traumatized but I'm not even prepared on how to deal with that, because my parents weren't prepared and their parents weren't prepared and we just pass on these like unnecessary hurts and unnecessary experience. So I'm saying this in this roundabout way did you ever confront your parents? Like, again, you got that ego like was there ever?
Travis Day: 43:30
uh, both my parents are completely open egos fast, mine too fast, and my mom taught me do not ever have it better than other people, or you do. You have it so much better than other people. Oh, you're good looking. Oh, you're intelligent. You should tone yourself down so that other people around you don't feel bad and this is how you were guided my mom's conditioning yeah, and and we can't.
Vaness Henry: 43:55
We can't really get mad at her fault. Her blame her. What happened to her that she? Thinks that's an okay form of guidance to discourage her ego-defined child into limiting himself to make other people around him comfortable. So what the fuck happened to her?
Travis Day: 44:13
yeah right the first three kids, there's four, four us. We all have, like major Lee, huge defined egos.
Travis Day: 44:23
I like, oh, my parents, my poor parents man Like we were so, just, you know, willful kids like stubborn kids Like we were going to, we wanted what we wanted. So she yeah, I totally understand what has happened to her and her conditioning and all of that now and uh but but growing up it was like, uh, I felt bad for, for feeling good about myself or for feeling like I'm the best. I'm, I'm the best. You know my design, like look at my design, like I. I look at my design now.
Vaness Henry: 45:03
I'm like I have the fucking best design out of everybody. I got the best design. Like that's how I'm supposed to be, like that that's how everyone should feel, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, well, but yeah, but you do, though. All these three energy mutated. I love a kitchens in the power view, let me just say that. And then also define ego and define g, define sleep, yeah, yeah but yeah, it's a good one three, it's fun come on but I love that you say that because we all should feel like I.
Vaness Henry: 45:25
I had a phase of really like kind of trying to encourage people like fall in love with your design. Yeah, because so much of it is like we focus on our, not self. Like manifestors, for example, are like not taught to resonate with their peace, but taught to deal with their anger, you know it's like why are we doing it like that? Maybe we could do a little adjustment there. Anyway, don't just tweak so much, but we tend to put emphasis on what we don't have.
Travis Day: 45:50
Yeah, no, but that's where we're conditioned, though you know that for me, it was like I had to get out of my open centers before I could even feel. Oh yeah, that I loved my myself, you know, and my thing now is like I, you know, with a locks reading is like you. You felt like you were a god's gift to humanity and you were, but you have to realize that every other person on the planet is also God's gift to humanity and I was like that's the healthy ego when you feel it for yourself but you realize you're not special.
Travis Day: 46:23
Every single person on this planet.
Vaness Henry: 46:25
We're all special.
Travis Day: 46:28
We're all that way and I really believe that human design is all about having a love affair with yourself, and if you start to live it, you will look at your design and be like, damn, I got the best design, no matter what it looks like.
Vaness Henry: 46:40
And I do think once you move into that frequency of that self adoration of like, wow, this is fun, this feature is fun, I think we then extend that to each other because I have found the more I fell in love with my own design, the more I looked at other people's design and fell in love with no matter what I discovered there. Because there was this time in my studies where the community was becoming very strict, like I shouldn't say the community, but players within the community were creating these rules about who they are willing and not willing to work with.
Travis Day: 47:10
And I totally.
Vaness Henry: 47:11
I totally understand why somebody would do that based on where they're at in their journey. Like it can be incredibly personal, but when you have a platform and you're sharing things like that, other people do interpret that as like I can never work with so-and-so, I can never work with reflectors, I can never work with, I'm only working with. So, just when we have these types of like rules, people tend to lean into things like I hate desire, motivation, people I don't like you know, and so that's why I put like I did a post recently was like here's my favorite things, everything I like. Because it was just like. I feel like it's unnecessary to even gaze at each other with like that's a shitty feature. It's like well, that's the way you're interpreting it, based on your whatever, so that's on you.
Vaness Henry: 47:57
Actually, no one has a shitty design no one. All designs are are really cool and unique If you know, especially how to look at them from different angles. But I only think you can get there once you've reached that place with your own design, like when you don't look at your design as having shameful parts. You know, did you ever look at your design like that? Did you ever look at wow, why do I have that or not have that?
Travis Day: 48:21
No, I pretty much loved it from the very beginning.
Vaness Henry: 48:23
Some people are like oh, like, a big one, you see, is generators are sad, they're generators.
Travis Day: 48:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I never had projector. I see that a lot with projectors. They're like fuck a projector. That means I can't do anything. That means like all these like stupid, uh generalizations that you hear that people don't know what they're talking about. So I see it a lot for projectors and that I always laugh because I was like when I found out I was a projector, it was the best thing I've ever heard. Yeah, yes, this is me. Yeah, and the generators? Yeah, we're, I'm not special, I'm just the part of the majority. I was like you guys are the chosen ones.
Vaness Henry: 48:56
You're the chosen one you understand yeah, yeah, everybody else just wishes they were a generator for a day, just experience some of the power it's just.
Travis Day: 49:05
It's just ignorance. It's a lot of ignorance out there and not, you know, stuck in the information, not feeling it out, and we're never, ever supposed to take any aspect of someone's chart in isolation, totally. Oh, you have gate 27, you're a blah, blah, blah, it's like you don't know shit about shit. Yeah, no, no, no that's never raw, always talked about. You never read someone's chart and take a specific aspect in isolation. And to even think that you are so smart that you can take, you could do one part of someone's design and then tell them how they are.
Travis Day: 49:40
To me that just makes me laugh, because I realize we are. We have so much going on all the time between the transits and the color and the tone and the bass and the oh god we don't know. We really don't know any one specific trait is going to express itself in someone.
Vaness Henry: 49:58
And also like how freeing, how freeing? I don't want to fucking know. I don't want to fucking know. Yeah, so we're now in. We're now, we're pushing through into 2024. What is your vision plans? What are you wanting to connect with that ego energy for this year, for yourself?
Travis Day: 50:16
I am a money magnet.
Vaness Henry: 50:20
Fun trap. Love that. Okay, so you're a money magnet.
Travis Day: 50:24
I'm a money magnet.
Vaness Henry: 50:26
You're a money magnet. You are moving into your abundance era, that's fun.
Travis Day: 50:30
Yeah, I love that for you.
Vaness Henry: 50:32
It's been what.
Travis Day: 50:33
So I was just. I feel like I've had the 35, 36 hooked up for the last like two years or something. So I have an open throat, open solar plexus, so I've been hooked up for a long time. That's challenging Trev. It's been the best thing ever yeah. Love that. Okay, it's been challenging, but it's been like adventure and it's been a fully deconditioning of my solar plexus.
Vaness Henry: 50:56
I don't want to say fully, you know I'm not a there never is one, but you've gone through a good, significant shift.
Travis Day: 51:01
Yeah, I am so good with emotions now, I am so comfortable in these like deep emotional states that I had avoided my entire life and I think that had a lot to do with my closed heart as well and my relationship with my ex not being able to meet her in those emotional states. So I feel like for the last two and a half years I've really gotten to clean out this open solar plexus conditioning and it feels fucking amazing and emotions to me now are like the most pleasurable things that exist. It's where excitement lives, you know, and all of the fun feelings that we get to experience as humans, like what a gift. The emotional center is where I was very opposite when I first started my journey of, like man, emotional people suck, like, get away from me. I couldn't agree more.
Vaness Henry: 51:51
Well, yeah, I had rules, like I was just. I was just being all chesty about like don't have rules about who you work with. But there was a time in my studies where I did have to limit. I could work with one emotional being at a time because I found that I got so swept up in their emotional waves. Sometimes, you know, especially if you're holding or supporting the person or you're working with someone, they're going through particular challenges.
Vaness Henry: 52:15
I found that like, okay, I am someone who gets, who falls in love with the other and gets swept away in their design. How do I protect myself from myself? Because otherwise I know I'll burn out, I know I'll overdo it, I know I'll overgive in that way, and I did have these little little buffers about specifically emotional projectors, emotional manifestor. I felt like I knew how to add emotional generator. But emotional projectors especially when they get to around 40, they haven't been dealing with what they need to be, dealing with the volume of bitterness that they could be in. He's laughing can can just crush them, can crush them and so, and so I was then going through that crushing energy with them and so, anyways, anyways.
Travis Day: 53:01
I needed to go through some boundaries. We just put it inside of you, we just penetrate you with it yeah, I'm feeling it yeah.
Vaness Henry: 53:10
People just penetrate you with it. True though it's true, like with the, with the nature of their aura and anyway. But having had some really shaping, informative relationships with emotional beings, yeah, like the training, I was also raised by emotional generators with undefined hearts, and it's so funny. My, my parents, too, undefined hearts, and it's so funny, my, my parents, too, undefined hearts, but their kids, grandkids, all defined hearts. Our partners, like they're just surrounded by these. We're not putting up with anything. My parents are just like don't know if they're coming or going, kind of thing.
Travis Day: 53:41
But yeah, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 53:42
Anyway, I want to speak, I want to say something about that, but I might've I might've lost my way a little bit here while I was babbling, but the thing I wanted to get to with your environment, because you're a kitchen's person and then we see you with the waves, you know you have this surfer. You're always showing us the waves. I love when you show us little omens of the birds you're watching or the dolphins and shit.
Vaness Henry: 54:02
I'm always sending Trav little messages. He lets me, he doesn't tell me to shut up, so for some reason I'm very lucky. But there obviously can be a kitchenitchens person hanging out on the shore. It's just that there it can be. We create these rules and how we're going to understand this, but the kitchen is all about the core and the community and the heart of things and these mutative environments. You're going to find that in a surfer community, it doesn't matter if you're riding the waves or whatever, and I'm always watching you. I'm like you're going on, doesn't matter if you're riding the waves or whatever, and I'm always watching you. I'm like you're going on a trip now. You're traveling, you're fleeing to the shore. What's going on with you? And you're like, oh my God, get off my back. I'm just living my little life. But what has your relationship been like as a kitchens person with the communities around you?
Travis Day: 54:49
Yeah, I love the surf community obviously.
Vaness Henry: 54:52
And you were invited into that community, right, like you were invited to teach or something.
Travis Day: 54:56
Oh yeah, I was invited to teach at a very, yeah, a long time ago. Hey, give it. Yeah, so I I mean, that's another business that I've had for a long time and I have a surf school here in California, and that was through invitation.
Travis Day: 55:06
I never wanted to do it. All the best things for projectors are invitation right, and the funny thing for me was like I never wanted to do the things that I was invited to do because of my not self-mind telling me this isn't worth anything, or you're not gonna make money or you know whatever in the case, maybe, uh don't do human design, that's. That's weird. You're not that guy, you know all you're totally that guy I'm so I am so the did you hear I introduced you?
Vaness Henry: 55:29
cool surfer dude, west coast travel the world, beautiful blonde hair. Like do you know what I mean? Yeah, like if I'm envisioning somebody to come show me the the ropes about integrating human design into my life, no matter where, like I can really see that fitting with even your, your surfing lifestyle. Like right, it just becomes anyways, whatever I don't know about that, but if not you, who what? I feel like you're a perfect fit if I was gonna write a character, it would.
Vaness Henry: 55:54
It would. They would look exactly like you have your background, have your story, and that would be the way they guide I never saw myself.
Travis Day: 56:00
I'm a projector, we are. It's our biggest blind spot yeah you know, I needed so many people to see me before I could see myself and understand who I, who I was. So that's I. A common misconception for projectors in the beginning is like you know who you are, we have no fucking idea who we are.
Vaness Henry: 56:17
Yeah but manifestors fucking don't either.
Travis Day: 56:19
We probably all don't yeah.
Vaness Henry: 56:21
I think none of us do. That's why I think it's so important to us to be selective in who we choose to surround ourselves with, because what are they going to show us? And if you've got people around you and they're showing you parts of yourself you fucking hate, or they're like, yeah, it's not you, you're like that's never going to be you, you're this and you don't feel like that, well, why are you letting that person reflect? Right, like I'm very strict about who I'll curate to have around me because I can't see myself, because and I've had I've surrounded myself with people who thought I was a horrible villain, so that's how I saw myself too. You know what I mean.
Travis Day: 56:54
Yeah, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 56:55
The company we keep really matters.
Travis Day: 56:57
Hey, because you start to believe those people.
Vaness Henry: 56:59
Well, there's no other option If you don't know your.
Travis Day: 57:01
if you don't know who you are, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 57:03
Yeah, but, but for somebody you know, I went through quite a big mutation when I entered my thirties and went on the roof. I did feel I had people in my life who knew me as this is this younger version of myself and they had an opinion and impression about the character that I was.
Travis Day: 57:28
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 57:28
And so they would treat me in a way as of oh well, you're like that and that's still always going to be you, and it's like, actually it's not. And if you're not willing to see me another way and recognize that I have shifted, because you need me to fulfill something in that old storyline that we had, we're just actually not going to be in a relationship anymore. It's very intimidating when I come and I'm like, actually I'm removing my friendship. People can be like which isn't necessarily what I was saying, but that that is what my energy was saying I am not that, I want to be seen another way.
Vaness Henry: 57:58
And if you are not willing to perceive me as this changed being, then I don't want you looking at me actually and I was very, I was very empowered by that because it I was starting to get pinned down by how others were perceiving me and it was starting to feel like a drag. It started to feel like I was being dragged off the roof or or called into war for things, and I was like I'm actually fucking here for peace, bro Back off, like I'm not. If you want me to get all involved in this, I'm just gonna stop watching you. Yeah, so, so and then and then again, once the manifestor pulls their aura away sometimes that can have, that can be where the impact finally actually is felt.
Travis Day: 58:36
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 58:37
Okay, I'm looking at our clock here. I'm seeing 1120 my time. We're the same time zone, right?
Travis Day: 58:42
Yes, we are.
Vaness Henry: 58:43
Thank.
Travis Day: 58:44
God, it's so nice being back from Europe.
Vaness Henry: 58:46
Yeah, that was wild hey time zones are so hard. How was your experience in Europe? Was that everything you needed? You were traveling there, journeying there for a few months.
Travis Day: 58:57
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 58:58
Did you get what you needed out of there? What did that give you? I did, I did.
Travis Day: 59:02
How do I know? Because I really like where I'm at right now.
Vaness Henry: 59:05
Yeah, now I'm happy to be where I am.
Travis Day: 59:13
Did you?
Vaness Henry: 59:14
ever consider planting somewhere else. I'm considering moving to portugal in september oh my god fun, what? Yeah, how a trap. I remember I can't remember how long ago this was, but you were like liquidating, you were selling off your things, you're going to be traveling some, some little cutie came to your house and bought something oh yeah, you remember, and I was like oh yes story um.
Travis Day: 59:30
It didn't work out it was not a love story it wasn't a love story no, she gave you money, whatever.
Vaness Henry: 59:37
Bye, enjoy my couch she was.
Vaness Henry: 59:39
She was cute, she was nice, she bought my couch when I was watching you kind of through that and you were, so I don't know where I'm gonna end up. I'm fucking splenic, I'm a one, three, I don't know. I'm just going with the motions and it was both. I felt like I was picking up on a little bit of like low grade fear, obviously, and stress, but also excitement, like you know. So how does the fucking splenic person think, go to Portugal in September? What? How does that, all of those decisions work?
Travis Day: 1:00:07
Yeah, I'm not a. I'm not a uh planning person. Yeah, I'm not a planning person. I'm starting to see more how I can give my spleen structure and work towards things and if it needs to change, it can change. But there's no. It's almost like it's a fun motivation to have and to be aware that I am fully aware that this may not happen. I'm fully aware that this may be a concocted fairy tale, that isn't my direction, but I can still have it. We all dream about our future and where we want to go and all that kind of stuff. So I'm really playing with that right now, because for a while, I was like I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what I'm doing. I'm going to live my life day to day and that's it and that's yeah, it's been working out that way too, but I'm really starting to play with some structure and giving myself something to shoot for and watching my excitement happen.
Vaness Henry: 1:01:00
What does splenic structure look like? I love how that sounds. I you know like splenic is so in the moment and everything, but you are able to provide yourself with some type of structure. What does it look like to create splenic structure for yourself?
Travis Day: 1:01:16
I don't know, vanessa, I really don't.
Vaness Henry: 1:01:19
You said it. I'm just like what does that mean, I wonder, you know?
Travis Day: 1:01:22
But to me it's, it's I like the spleen for me. When I know something's right for me, I get the full body chills. It's a, it's a body truth, and it happens all the time. When I really resonate with something, I get these chills. That's how I know like, oh okay, when I was going to Norway, I didn't know I was going to Norway, but I pulled up Airbnb and I looked at the first property and I got the full body chills and it was like you're going to Norway, oh, okay, there's some structure. Now I can you know, now I know I'm going to Norway, I can buy my ticket or or whatever. So there's a resonance of feeling in my body that when I think about something or when I kind of projected into the future, like there's a, there's a feeling like yes, this is, this is right for you.
Vaness Henry: 1:02:10
A resonance of feeling. Trav has feeling sense in his kitchen. So neat to hear you talk about like associating that with the spleen, because in some of the more evolved tones of the body specifically feeling and touch, when it shows up in the environment variable as we're navigating reality we can get chills across our body as a sign to either like, stay away from this or me, likey that you know. So it's neat to hear you associate it with the spleen, like the pings that it's like. Oh, yes, of course I can see that You're like. Oh, I have a feeling of resonance in my environment. I'm like, yeah, you're feeling sense, like for you as you're navigating. Look at that is your body's informing you, me, likey, this you know what I mean.
Vaness Henry: 1:02:53
I say an ego language like that and you can trust that and follow that. So, yeah, I guess it doesn't really matter what my big plan is. You know, as long as I am tapped into the sensational, this, the sensationalization of my experience of feeling. You feel effervescent feelings across your body that's super evolved when you resonate with something or something is aligning with you, and then you can fucking trust that.
Travis Day: 1:03:21
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's what it is, and I think, now that you said it that way, there is no structure I can give us. It's probably a mental construct that I'm moving towards, but you.
Vaness Henry: 1:03:33
You have a first, your fear, motivation, and you have an undertone, a sense of security. So your personality is very much about structure in order for understanding. But you're seeing my body, actually I'm just kind of tricking it like it feels like structure for me to understand, but actually, if I distill it down, I'm just going with the flow, riding the waves, feeling my feelings, trusting my body's navigational abilities. Yeah, that's empowering.
Travis Day: 1:04:02
Yeah, I thanks for, like, I love how you see so deeply into my variables and what that could possibly mean. And that's the cool thing I think about human design is that we're both right. Like the bodies are navigation system. But my mind is very different. It wants to dream and look at things and it's proceeding.
Vaness Henry: 1:04:21
It's the one filtering the experience to watch and learn and understand. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, we, we. You know so many people want to really identify with their body when in reality you know, as you get into the depths of human design, you do want to understand your personality, your consciousness. It's your weakness here to be this sort of caretaker of this body that you have, so you can live as long as you want to live and have this extended experience isn't cut short because of a lack of awareness on what your individual body needed, whether you have allergies or whether you're highly sensitive or whatever. Whatever it is, your personality is the part to understand and connect with, so you can move into that watcher mode and really appreciate your body. Beautiful Thanks for coming on insights, trav, and sharing your beautiful projected perspective with us.
Vaness Henry: 1:05:14
I love the way that you view the ego and all matters of the heart and I've been echoing that. You know I go on shows and, let's say, your name comes up or you come up in conversation. I'm always like I like how he talks about the ego, because not every I know you've seen this as well Not everybody gets it or something, and they parrot information that doesn't actually make sense or is not embodied and lived and we can kind of suss that out right away. And so people have been very drawn to you the way you talk about it, and I think it's because you have this brilliant aura.
Vaness Henry: 1:05:48
You have this, this, your projector, but you're also kitchens and power, which is like to the heart of things. You know the heart of things in the community, the heart of the things and people around you, and I think we really resonate with that, get a lot of value out of it. So it was shocking to me that you struggled with low self-worth. At one point. I was like, wow, like never, would I ever have thought that? And yet when I I hear it, it's like well, of course that potential is going to be there, I guess, but that's not how I, that's not how I feel him now.
Travis Day: 1:06:17
Well, isn't that the perfect kind of resonance with the manifestor. As we look at you guys like, oh, they're so independent, they're so uh, you know, they don't need anybody, they're so whatever. And it's like, oh, wait a second. No, yeah, a lot of them are wounded and hurt, and then you'd care. I feel like that with ego beings. You look at an ego being like, oh, they're so this and they're so that. And it's like actually no, we need praise and recognition and softness too.
Vaness Henry: 1:06:45
I couldn't agree more.
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