No. 7 - Aquarian Entrepreneurship with Jasmine Nnenna

Jasmine Nnenna is the founder of Erah Society, a digital oasis for spiritual entrepreneurs. She's a DJ you can stream on iTunes, a philosopher and mystic, and a master of the material plane. She is a 3/5 Pure Generator, and carries entrepreneurship deep in her bones, bringing a masterful touch to the art of living really well. With her Personal View in a Shores Environment, I really resonate with Jas. We became fast friends throughout our awareness studies.

If you love deep enriching conversations on how to understand life, integrate challenge, and optimize, optimize, optimize while giggling with your friends — you’re gonna love hanging with me and Jas. And if you work in the Healing Arts, don't forget to listen to my interview on Jas's show, Counter Cultural, a podcast grounded in spirituality and holistic well-being — for Aquarian Entrepreneurs.

Find Jas’s work at:
Erah Society
@erahsociety
@jasminenenna

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Vaness Henry: 0:20

I asked my friend Jasmine Nenna onto the show today because I was really needing to elevate my insights to she's laughing already to kind of show and share a really big part of my process as a six line. A big part of my process as a six line has been friendship and who do I trust? And such a big part of the healing experience for me in human design has been healing through friendship. Because when you begin really deeply experimenting with this study, there's a component of it that can be so alienating because you realize you're in a lot of relationships that are unhealthy or you're the unhealthy one in the relationship and so it's very natural for your relationships to change as you begin to really experiment. And the healing aspect for me has been making such enriching friendships that I didn't have before. Like Jess, like there I would have friends where I was like kind of on edge, like they're going to be mad at me for something or like, oh, what it's going to piss them off this time. Like I had friends like that where I was always bracing, protecting and preparing for their emotions and I was like I can't even imagine myself doing that now. Like, and then to have made friendships through the human design space where they're just willing to look at you another way, which is looking at your energy. So my friend, jasmine Nana, who I have invited here today, is a 3-5, which I love pure generator. She's one of the 3 fives that I watch the most. I intimately know her design. I study her inside and out. That must be so creepy, jess, but I do, and she's one of my dear, dear friends where I will come and talk to about what it's like to be a parent, what it is like to be an entrepreneur who makes six figures and up and has had a career online for more than a decade, who have husbands who are both six lines and on the roof and on their own experiences and a huge component of our relationship as two shores. People is talking about spirituality and spiritual concepts, concepts of deep things like God and the meaning of life. That's why I selected you to come on the Insight here, jasmine. Thank you, but actually I just had a shit day and that's what I wanted to show.

Vaness Henry: 2:56

I typically like to be really mindful of my energy when I show up to things, because I don't want to leave anyone with a bad taste, and also also sometimes I have shitty days, yes, and I need to like go to a fucking friend and be like my kids drive me crazy, or my business fucking pissed me off, or my mom is like driving that student I meet Anyway. So, jazz, I haven't been eating today, I haven't ate today and it's the evening for me and I'll explain later. So I want you to know, I have brought a juice to prepare just fucking fruit punch, a Montelier, which is my favorite sparkling water, and I have brought myself some cannabis, just so you know cause it's been that kind of day. So that will be what I'm consuming during this call and this chat. And I'm going to be starting my cycle and I noticed that there are, now that I have a regular cycle I couldn't track this before, but now that I have a regular cycle I've tracked that there are certain times where I not don't lose my appetite, but I can't chew and I'm taste cognition.

Vaness Henry: 3:57

To chew Anything is to make me want to vomit and gag. So all of a sudden, I have to have somewhat of a liquid diet in order to still fill myself up. Now, obviously, a sparkling water and a juice and cannabis is no diet, but I'll have to switch to smoothies or green juices, and that's all I can intake. And now I'm noticing as soon as my cycle starts wow, there's that feeling again. Anything I smell can make me want to puke. Chewing on anything makes me instantly gag, and yet I still need sustenance. So I'm still building awareness around that. But anyway, those are my fucking meal, that's my meal today, that's my dinner tonight with you, and then I'll eat something, hopefully after. What about you over there? Are you consuming anything?

Jasmine Nnenna: 4:39

I am just drinking Rosella tea and I can't eat in the mornings.

Vaness Henry: 4:45

It makes me want to gag and haven't prepared enough and I'm ravenous but there's nothing to eat because I haven't prepared and I'm not going to stop to eat. So I can get really hangry. But most of my life, even to this day, when I wake up, I'm not hungry and the thought of eating kind of makes me want to puke, it makes me feel sick and the thought of eating kind of makes me want to puke, it makes me feel sick.

Vaness Henry: 5:26

And yet there can be other mornings where my hunger is what wakes me up, where it's like I must eat now, immediately, and to the point where I'm running into the bathroom just having a glass of water just to put something in the system. So I find that part of my experimenting really challenging, to be honest with you. Like Like food.

Jasmine Nnenna: 5:44

Same, same, I would completely agree. I'm close taste and I feel like, especially as of late, maybe within the last two months I have not been eating a lot, mostly because I've been doing a lot of mental work, a lot of intaking, a lot of researching, a lot of learning, a lot, mostly because I've been doing a lot of mental work, a lot of intaking, a lot of researching, a lot of learning, a lot of that's eating talking to yeah, it's still, it's still coming in, and so it's not that I forget to eat, but I don't have an appetite, like nothing gets me up to go to the fridge to make something to eat. I don't feel that anymore and I feel like I'm in a bit of a transition and I know you and I have talked about this before like going from communalist to separatist and that spectrum of how you describe it. And then I was also thinking to Alex, like I love that you said spectrum.

Vaness Henry: 6:43

Can I just put that in there? I love that you said spectrum. Oh, my God, can't continue. Sorry, I'm going to tell you what I like when you do it, otherwise the moment will pass me by and I won't be able to give you a compliment. Heaven forbid. Yes, anyway, I love it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 6:54

I love it. I was actually talking to Alex about this. Like, as our consciousness and awareness raises, do astrological historical timeframes change as we become more and more aware? Does our purpose come in faster? Do we hit that Chiron faster? Do we do that Saturn return faster? It doesn't mean that it changes necessarily the cycle of Saturn, the timing of it, but are we more cognizant and aware of the things that are streaming down to us that are saying okay, it's about time now to make these shifts? Because I noticed you, derek, alex and I'm, because I'm observing you, I'm an observer, I'm watching you guys and I noticed that you guys are all maybe a year or two or three older than me and you're moving an inch and closer and closer to your North node, which would that calling comes around 40. But for me, I've always noticed that that's a late calling. That's when people normally have their like midlife, whatever career.

Vaness Henry: 8:01

Well, you're also looking at six lines, like the three of us are six lines.

Vaness Henry: 8:04

So our experience is somewhat. It's not that it's tied to the arc and the story, but we have three phases, distinct phases in the way, whereas other lines the phases may bleed into each other differently. You know, it may not be. So I think we obviously all have these stages and phases, but do you know what I mean? Like you're? You just named three examples where each a six line who have to go through a sort of arc in their personal story in order. So is that even going to be the same story for the three five? I don't know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 8:36

Well, I don't know, because as I'm watching you guys, I'm asking myself that like am I inching closer to my North node and Aquarius? And in Placidus it's in the sixth house, but in whole sign it's in the seventh house, and you were talking about friendships as a sixth line, really healing through friendship. And when I use my whole sign house, my South Node is in Leo, in the first house, which is all about me doing things myself, being super independent, running my own businesses, doing my own thing. And now I am starting to be called or things are starting to come into my aura. People are wanting my energy to partner with them on something so essentially to like leave my home. Leave my home as a, as a Leo entrepreneur, like where I'm just building my personal brand, which is very Leo, and go and build a almost like a faceless brand, a brand that's more for the people, which would make sense with that, yeah, which would make sense with the North node and Aquarius for the people, seventh house relationships, other people.

Jasmine Nnenna: 9:40

It's no longer about just me and my personal brand. It's about how can we create a really successful brand that is for the people and, you know, touches a bunch of social awareness issues and wealth gaps and all these different things. And as I'm as I'm watching myself move through these meetings right Cause every meeting gets us closer and closer to a deal, you know, signing a contract, coming on board I'm kind of noticing that. It's like passenger consciousness. Yeah, I would like, like my mind is telling no, don't do this, you're not going to have time to do these other things. But if I'm looking at what I'm responding to, the conversation that began with can you do marketing for me? Mm, hmm, sure, then the next meeting is like okay, what do you want to market? Realizing, oh, the thing isn't complete. Well, maybe we should do this, this and this.

Jasmine Nnenna: 10:33

And then the person lights up and says wait a minute, I think I need you here as opposed to me there.

Jasmine Nnenna: 10:42

And suddenly the question becomes not the question, but I feel the flair of a part of myself that maybe I've not witnessed. Say I don't even know how to say it but like why do they get that and I don't get that? Like I don't get to build this big kind of thing for myself. I have to not that I have to, but I'm responding to going out and building it for the other person and the first thing that I thought was just the shift of that trajectory. It's like I can feel that there's a shift, that there's something changing, that what I did before isn't working anymore, it's not hitting anymore, it's not slapping the way that it used to, it's not giving that bounce, that oomph. But when I sit in meetings with people who have these huge ideas and I can see how to get it there, all of a sudden now there's this passenger consciousness feeling of like oh, you're just in the room, you're just kind of floating above it. I know that's a weird this is sounding very much.

Vaness Henry: 11:45

No, no, this is like the. The leo aquarius nodal configuration is always really interesting to me, because there's this like some kind of teaching around, like making it about yourself, and then you're not supposed to do that and yet you know what I mean. But then it's also what?

Vaness Henry: 12:04

what I've seen in people and I often have friends with that nodal placement. It's almost like they miss that their story of what's going on with them is actually an example of a larger story in the collective. So it's like you weirdly use your own Leo story for the Aquarian vision. And so as I was listening, I was taking certain notes of things that I want to speak to, because you mentioned our birthdays and that we're all really far apart. But actually one of the things you and I bond hard over is the orientation of our natal charts. So we're both Leo rising, we have different north nodes, but the configuration of our houses is the same. So when we're transiting something, you and I are often talking about that house because we're both experiencing it in the exact same way.

Vaness Henry: 12:55

So I'm born late in the year in 88, and Jazz is born right on January 1st in 1990. And so you're, at the time of this, you're 34 and I'm 35. It's not a massive gap, but it's enough to have the same. It's enough to have different nodes, basically, and different Saturns. So my Saturn would be Sagittarius, yours would be Capricorn, and you are going through that big Capricornian lesson of your Saturn return is going to be about, like the Capricorn Saturn return, is realizing you're the CEO, you are the guy you know that's the big lesson there.

Jasmine Nnenna: 13:32

Which is exactly what happened during my Saturn return.

Vaness Henry: 13:35

But you kept talking about when you were. You were. I want to just say, talk about the North Node another way for a second, because you kept talking about this point. You feel like you're reaching this point and I actually understand the nodal journey. I think differently. I don't necessarily think there's like a point I reach. I don't necessarily think I'm moving towards some specific. All of a sudden I'm out of Virgo and into Pisces. Yeah, no, no, no.

Vaness Henry: 14:01

It's not like but, but it can. But when we talk about it it can sound like that sometimes, you know. But the way that I kind of I think, the way that I see it when I look at the natal chart, is we all stand in the middle, we're all standing in the middle together and we're all facing different directions. So I'm facing Pisces and I come with a cumulative background of Virgo, so I'm essentially standing with my back to Virgo and so I've got a lot of these Virgo qualities in my life purpose that I can kind of use and transmute as I continue forward on my Piscean journey.

Vaness Henry: 14:36

Because I'm, no matter what, I'm on a Pisces journey, because I'm facing toward Pisces, I'm never going to like reach this point where I've finally reached Pisces. I'm always facing Pisces, I'm always walking toward Pisces and I've always got the Virgo wisdoms behind me. I think where things like transference get interesting, you know, when you think about that concept, is are there times where I'm on my Piscean journey and I turn around and I face Virgo and I'm all of a sudden trekking the Virgo way where it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm fucking here for the abyss and to talk about spirituality. But I began in the medical field. I began in that environment.

Vaness Henry: 15:14

That's where all my wisdom accumulated.

Jasmine Nnenna: 15:16

But I was always facing Pisces. Yeah, exactly so what?

Vaness Henry: 15:21

how do you then interpret that as the Aquarian?

Jasmine Nnenna: 15:24

Yeah, it's. I really liked that because it's like a, it's almost like a bridge, and when you said I'll never be fully like Piscean is well, no, no, no, I think in our next life.

Vaness Henry: 15:35

I think I am Piscean. I think I'm on, I'm facing that direction. I don't think I reached this point. Um, I walked so far, and there's the point. Now I'm in Pisces and now I keep going. I think I'm always facing Pisces Right, right.

Jasmine Nnenna: 15:50

And that's always in that way, yes, yeah, and that's and that's always streaming into your face. You know, it's kind of like the sun above you. It's always in that, totally. And you're.

Vaness Henry: 16:01

You're the Aquarian, jess, you're the Aquarian, that Totally. And you're the Aquarian, jess, you're the Aquarian and you bring the wisdom and the pride in your own story and the magic and the performance you know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 16:11

Yeah, what I noticed with the meetings that I've been taking lately. It's almost like I said this on my website it's how to turn the talent into a luminary.

Vaness Henry: 16:24

Love that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 16:24

It's how to turn the talent into a luminary. Love that I see the talent, I can see that Leo is there and they have a vision and they're like, wow, I know that other people need this thing. And so it's like, how do we refine that raw talent of Leo and turn them into a luminary, into the sun, into something that people just, yeah, they can't stop watching? And so I know that I feel that you know my, I have so many memories of like going to different auditions I grew up in LA and very much on that, that Hollywood kind of thing, which I probably have never even shared, excuse me, yeah.

Vaness Henry: 17:04

I know I'm realizing this is, excuse me, stop Absolutely everything. You do not get to. Just drop that on me. What I would love to know, absolutely everything.

Jasmine Nnenna: 17:17

Yeah, I was born and raised in LA and for the majority of my childhood and all the way to middle school I was in performing arts schools and always went on auditions and like that was just part of my world at that time.

Vaness Henry: 17:33

We went back and then around middle school, we would have been besties. We wouldn't, wouldn't you have been in my grade because you skipped a grade, because you're so smart, yeah, yeah, been in my grade, yeah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 17:44

Yeah.

Vaness Henry: 17:45

On the scene. Actually, what am I saying? You're american, I'm canadian.

Jasmine Nnenna: 17:48

We wouldn't, I know, but we would have, but we would have, but we would have so it's just so interesting to like look back and see, you know, I went to school with a lot of child, child stars that we all know today oh, my god name one that was just a very one who's one?

Vaness Henry: 18:02

you went with anyone.

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:04

Okay, the from little rascals main guy from little rascals, but that's an American movie.

Vaness Henry: 18:12

I know it because there's a kid with like hair that stands up or something.

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:16

Not him, not him. I'm Googling it. So okay, she's Googling, oh they're all adults now.

Vaness Henry: 18:25

I don't know, know, I don't know any of these people yeah, they're all adults now, yeah okay, I'm looking at the cover. It's the leader.

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:31

The leader guy I.

Vaness Henry: 18:33

You know what. I love this cover of this movie because I can't tell who the leader is, because they're all there together. Anyway, one of these cute little characters you went to school with. I love that. Okay, so you're basically. You were basically like a kid who went to school with like Northwest and the Kardashian kids.

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:50

You're rubbing shoulders. It was fancy, right, okay, right Right. It was a school like that where, like, yes, we all went to school and there wasn't this, oh my God, there's celebrity, because everyone in the school system, their parents, were in Hollywood in some form, producing music, acting.

Vaness Henry: 19:07

What I'm hearing is you were groomed in the starlight. Your starting point was surrounded by a celebrity atmosphere, so you're like, yeah, that's who we are, obviously. Leo Thank you, kay, love that character story Right.

Jasmine Nnenna: 19:24

And so it kind of has just like come with me through my life, like being friends with people who have won Emmys and who have won Grammys and like that that's, that's a normal part of my private life, a piece of me that I don't really share online because it has never felt like anything to share.

Vaness Henry: 19:43

People like me gobble it up. We're like yeah, wow, yum yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum yum.

Jasmine Nnenna: 19:48

Well, to be honest, it has never even really crossed my mind because I think it's been my normal for so long that, yeah, you do, you just have friends that write Emmy winning shows or movies or win Grammys and things like that or Oscars. It wasn't ever a big deal. But I think what I'm realizing in this conversation is that when entrepreneurs come to me because, again, everything is tied into the Capricorn, I'm a Capricorn, I have a stellium in Capricorn, so I'm going to be working with entrepreneurs or builders in some way is that they don't see their star power. They don't see what makes them special. They don't see what makes their business special or the mission special or the vision special. And I have the ability of seeing it because I've seen it for so long seeing what it is that makes them special In the business world.

Jasmine Nnenna: 20:39

We would call it a USP, your unique selling point, but it's just your star power. And then drawing that forward and saying this is the thing that we need to highlight. Not only is it going to be the thing that sets us apart in the category or the industry, it's going to be the reason why other people feel special, why they what they're going to talk about when they purchase that thing or when they're a part of that community, and so I I guess I started off in the when when you and I met in the human design world. Slash like coaching, slash self-development.

Jasmine Nnenna: 21:09

I want to talk about that and I'm kind of move okay and I'm I see myself being invited to move out of that and I've been telling you this for almost a year that I feel like my environment is not correct, like I've been saying the same thing to you over here.

Vaness Henry: 21:23

Yeah, we, well, we've've been talking about? Couldn't have figured it out though, when does the field that you're in become a kitchen? Like as a shores person, when does the field start to become a kitchen?

Jasmine Nnenna: 21:34

How might I?

Vaness Henry: 21:35

have one foot in this kitchen, another foot in that kitchen, without getting lost and absorbed in the kitchen and the chaos and the mess Can you speak to?

Jasmine Nnenna: 21:43

that Like yeah, like what are the qualifications of a kitchen? Because, like you always say, we're always going to be tapped into a kitchen, but then when we find ourselves always just building, like building little, yeah, you, you do it, you do it.

Vaness Henry: 21:59

What do you, what are you trying to articulate building little, what I'm just trying to.

Jasmine Nnenna: 22:04

I can see what's happening in that, the people that now want to work with me. They want to build worlds.

Vaness Henry: 22:12

Why is that a?

Jasmine Nnenna: 22:13

surprise to you? It's not, but it's a surprise because I think I've. I have gotten so deep in the kitchen of our human design space, self-development space, coaching space that I think my audience knows me for that. And now that I have a new, you know these people are in VC. This is a different world, venture capital. My audience is not in venture capital.

Vaness Henry: 22:38

Well, are you seeing? Are you seeing otherwise?

Jasmine Nnenna: 22:41

Am I. What do you mean?

Vaness Henry: 22:42

Because if these people are coming to you, if these people are coming to you and they want you in this way, wouldn't they be part of your audience? I actually wonder if you need to get to know your audience again, because it seems to me like what you're doing is actually attracting people in these worlds that you weren't expecting. Because every time I come to you and I'm like, hey, I'm working with someone who's an investor, you're like that's fucking cool, that's cool that they speak human design. You know, and we just did your show on countercultural and part of what we were talking about there is kind of oriented around this, actually. So go listen to that, go listen to that. I'll put a little link in. I'll put a little link down below. What was was I saying before I got into this little jokey voice here?

Jasmine Nnenna: 23:26

The orientation of the worlds and like attracting people.

Vaness Henry: 23:31

Who you are perceiving your audience to be. I would like to share what's going on with me, as a sort of mirror, because we experience things in similar ways but different.

Vaness Henry: 23:41

A lot of people around me get into this space, this, this headspace, where they're, like, have to kind of quote unquote leave the human design world or leave the astrology world or leave the whatever. Whatever the world is, and I don't know that I necessarily see it as a world anymore. Like, to me, human design is really a language and there is something so enriching and healing when you can go to someone and speak a language together Like the way I talk to people in French is different than it is in English, when I have the language and lens of something like human design and you speak it and we can be fluid and exchange. That way we're going to go so much deeper on our conversations. So to me, you don't have to. I think getting caught up in the world is possible, like caught up in the kitchen, the world, like that kind of way. But if you start to soften, maybe it's not so much a world, maybe there's, it's a culture, maybe it's a formless something that I can connect with. So in your world, in your world like that, there you are starting to feel like perhaps you were too immersed in some of these studies. You know, when I listened to counter-cultural. You talk about gene keys a lot. You talk about human design a lot, talk about astrology a lot. If you couldn't speak those languages, I wonder if you'd be able to articulate the way you actually want to on your show or in your life.

Vaness Henry: 25:17

And, as I was saying before about working with people in 6-2, I like to be able to see the design of the client I'm working with. Because I work so intimately with them, I want to know exactly where to encourage them, exactly where to guide them. Oh, you're low sound. Well, I can't have a ton of, we can't have an overly complex intro. It needs to be low information. You know what I mean. Like it. So if I didn't have like, I could totally do the job without that. Oh my God, when I have an emotional authority client, I have a whole different process with them and how I will, you know, and how I communicate with them and when I follow up with them. And I like to be able to work like that I like to be, because, because the relationship I have with the client, I think they really appreciate it. I think they really feel seen, held, cared for, like they're in good hands, you know, like we're going to take care of them. I like people to feel that way when they're with me.

Jasmine Nnenna: 26:14

Yeah, I agree as you were talking, I just went back to the visual of like the North Node, south Node orientation of we're in the middle and we meet the sun to beam down our face and that sun is that North Node sign psyche stuff. My placid is astrological chart really just hits home. There's like some placements and I'm just like that.

Vaness Henry: 26:43

I don't know why let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 26:45

The only reason.

Vaness Henry: 26:47

No, no, no, no girl, the only reason realistically we ever started looking at full house is because of Chani, because Chani's teachings are around whole house. I was placid as plastic. I love Chani. Been subscribing to Chani forever. Okay, lover.

Vaness Henry: 27:05

Like to just be able to just quickly know what the astrology is going to be. Like I'm an affiliate of hers, like, and I don't sell. I got to get better at that. But like, love that, love, everything there, yep, yep, yep, yep, everything there, yep, yep, yep, yep. And yet I would say I resonate more with placidus personally why is that like, I don't know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 27:22

I feel like, actually, you know what, when we, when we always talk about our transits, I do resonate with the transits that are happening, like we do feel the okay shifts that are I agree which is interesting. Yeah, well, the thing I don't feel, the shifts well, when you're in placidus, you have that become.

Vaness Henry: 27:38

The houses are not all the same like 30 degrees.

Jasmine Nnenna: 27:42

You can have a house that is intercepted and is really, really big.

Vaness Henry: 27:46

And then you will have another house that's really really small, that's interesting to me, but. I like that when we look at whole house, all the houses are, it's all the same, they're all the same size, and so then we're going to just gonna interpret it differently.

Jasmine Nnenna: 28:00

But yeah, like my nodal placement will move from eighth to ninth same same, and that's and and that's why I'm even bringing this up is because our later degree planets or placements, they shift in in whole sign. So in placidus, my south node is in the 12th house. So I have leo in the 12th and then I have Aquarius in the sixth and if I'm standing, using your visual, I'm standing there in the middle. I need Aquarius to rain down on me. I can't turn around to Leo in, technically, pisces house. That's not where I'm going. I'm not trying to be a spiritual guru anymore. I've already done that. I've already traveled the world talking about God. I've already done all that. Leo in the 12th house. Now I have to be grounded in the material plane. I have to go with Virgo. I have to organize things, systems, use systems to grow a business.

Vaness Henry: 28:51

Yeah, like daily habits, daily size.

Jasmine Nnenna: 28:53

Daily habits, so many of your creations are Virgo, virgo, virgoic. Virgo.

Vaness Henry: 29:01

So many of your creations are Virgo.

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:02

Virgo Virgoic.

Vaness Henry: 29:04

Virgo, what is the word Virgo-ish, virgo-ish, virgo? I hate everything. It sounds all bad. But yeah, a lot of your creations are very much rooted in sixth house principles. Like in sixth house, principles to me are very much like my job and duties, not necessarily my career, but my, my tasks and my jobs, my daily habits and rituals. The body, the physical body Like, and so a lot of that's what I thought. Your breath work, too, is always very interesting. Your taste, color that's really cool to me. The breath work and the rooted and grounding it down into the body six house shit, yeah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:44

Yeah.

Vaness Henry: 29:45

So I think so much of your creations to me, as somebody who is a watcher of your experience, seem like they were made in that direction, and that exactly you know exactly exactly.

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:56

It's definitely all about the work that we do every day, making sure that the founder as well, making sure that the business as well itself. What are the day-to-day functions? And what I noticed is that I obviously attracted a lot of spiritually forward or spiritually minded people, because that was my South Node and the South Node is we're still using that. It's still very much emanating from us to our audience or to our people, and so now I can see not necessarily a shift, but I can't turn back and go that way anymore, like I'm just using the winds beneath my wing to propel me. Yes, it's always going to be rooted in a grounded spirituality philosophy. What more can we do? What else can we create? Where else can we go from here? But it is what are the day-to-day things? What action are you taking?

Jasmine Nnenna: 30:55

Like sixth house is about the action. It's about moving the needle forward a little bit every day, breaking down on a huge vision into small parts and then doing those small parts, and then after a year you realize, wow, my business is thriving or my work is doing great. That's not something that I inherently knew, it's something that I had to learn. That I inherently knew. It's something that I had to learn and I'm noticing that that's what a lot of businesses are coming to me and asking me to do is to break down this big vision. We want to launch this thing, we want to change generational wealth, we want to create this app and I'm like that's amazing, and also this and this and this, all these different things. However, what I did notice was that when I was only talking about spirituality, my audience wasn't taking as much action.

Vaness Henry: 31:46

That frustrate you.

Jasmine Nnenna: 31:47

It didn't until I began to feel and see the frustration in my life of what happens when no action is taken, and I feel like, is that a deeper story for me to share? Because we do have the people and we need them who are like let God carry it, surrender, do all those things. Absolutely, we need that. That's never going away. But what I'm seeing is that it also has to be balanced with what's your part in this? What do you need to wake up and do today, as opposed to oh, if I just follow my design, my life will unfold. It will unfold, but you're also a participant in it. And then, when we start talking about things like entrepreneurship and business, yes, you can absolutely manifest your destiny. Please, by all means, do that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 32:33

I've done that, I've been there and I've done that and it's amazing and it's so fun. But now I'm on another experiential journey that's like very interdependent. It's not quite dependent on the holiness of God and all that God does, and it's also not independent of God. It's not like, oh, I'm just going to do it myself. It's a dance between great. Thank you for this vision.

Vaness Henry: 32:56

Well, a little shift, though, jazz, like a shift is like you, like you really feel like entrepreneurship is the most spiritual undertaking that you could take in your life.

Vaness Henry: 33:06

So I feel like you have actually more deeply braided Actually. Yeah, you're you. You show me things about myself when we and that's also a huge part of your design too. But let me do some explaining. Let me do some explaining. Let's go back to the concept of the human design kitchen. Before I came to human design, I came from the shamanic world. I was this person who was healing because I had some really heavy shit happen, and then, somewhere along the line, I started studying human design. I started studying human design in my early twenties and I was I want to say I really emphatically I was not experimenting.

Jasmine Nnenna: 33:49

Yes.

Vaness Henry: 33:50

Like I was not. I was actually not aware enough. I think I was too young, to be honest. I just I think the timing was whatever. Having said that, finding out I was an ego manifester, I did make some quick lifestyle adjustments and at the time I was living alone Shortly after I started dating Derek, like there was these core shifts that happened after it came into my life but there was no concept of the community around it whatsoever. And then, somewhere along the line, actually I know, it became apparent and I felt like I was dying, like I couldn't do it. I was like I don't know what I'm doing. And around six months, when Hoxie was like six months old, was like I can't and remembering human design came back into the field Somebody was talking about it came back and I was like what is that again? And I go and I reference and I find the book I have and from that point I needed it all of a sudden because it was helping me with my kid and I was becoming a six line at that point and so it just really, you know, I was on my Saturn return, I was starting that transition and then I just got in it and, as I've been on the roof.

Vaness Henry: 34:53

There have been periods where I'm like, wow, is this too much of a kitchen for me? Like, cause, I can cause people can start fighting and get caught up. I'm like I don't fucking care about this, don't you dare. And people will drag me into it. And I've got to the point where that doesn't really happen to me anymore. I tune it out to such a degree to protect myself in that way.

Vaness Henry: 35:09

But it became a lot about human design for quite some time it did, and people started talking about me when I was on the roof and they started referencing my body of work. The fuck does that mean? Or I would go on a podcast and they'd be like I love your work. And I had to start being like what the fuck is my work? Like, what are these second line Like? What are these people perceiving? Like my work? I'm putting out in the world that I'm doing that they're they like or are a fan of like what could that be? Cause?

Vaness Henry: 35:41

At this point I'm just talking about human design from this particular angle. It's not like I'm I'm really a parrot, you know. Like I'm just teaching information. I'm just exposing you to information that I'm passionate about. I'm somebody who is on a shamanic path. I'm a journalist, I want to understand how to be well and take care of myself, and I'm at I'm interviewing these people to hear that I was perceived that I was starting to create a body of work, I guess kind of made me realize, oh, I'm not caught in the human design kitchen, I have a bigger story, a bigger thing I'm working toward and human design is one of my tools that's helping me get there, exactly, exactly, and it just helped.

Vaness Henry: 36:28

It just helped me feel more adoration and love for the communities that I do go hang out in the human design community. I'm like my first job was writing fucking horoscopes and like coffee news these little like coffee papers that are in coffee shops. Like I was the one who wrote your horoscope on the fucking back. Like I was always like in like worlds or spaces or however you want to say that. So I I still like speak a lot of astrology, I speak a lot of shamanism and I realized I was getting more recognition for my talk and opinions from a human design perspective, that I hung out there for a long time and that's now I've done the Deacon.

Vaness Henry: 37:08

Yeah, I've done the deconditioning cycle, though you know I've gone through it and now it's like it's become a part of me in a different way. It doesn't need to be all about that all the time, and at this point I'm still kind of transitioning and reminding people actually, let, I'm a healer, I think I think that's actually my whole thing. So I'm going to come at all these things from the perspective of healing and how I use or like these tools. To get back onto my why and my, you know like I really like to track, for example, cancer and tumor development in the body graph. I just see it.

Vaness Henry: 37:43

I come across a lot of body graphs and I get accumulate more and more data. I'll probably be on the roof doing that and then when I come off the roof, I'll likely have a lot of opinions. I'll probably write books. There'll probably be a lot of things I want to put out because I'll have something to say. So I I think I'm in this time of my life where I have to figure out what the kitchens are that I want to have a foot in Exactly, but I can't lose sight that I'm in my world.

Jasmine Nnenna: 38:10

Exactly, Exactly. That's it, and I I think that you said that perfectly. It's like what kitchens are we getting caught up in that?

Vaness Henry: 38:20

then kind of or or when did I put like jump in with two feet in the kitchen? Yeah, exactly, rather than like one foot in?

Jasmine Nnenna: 38:27

Yep, one foot in our world, one foot in that world. And that's exactly how I, how I've felt for over a year now, that I just kept saying to you like I am in the wrong environment, I can just feel like I'm not supposed to be here, but it does take a minute or talking to the wrong people. Talking to the wrong people? Yes, talking to the wrong people.

Vaness Henry: 38:48

It sounds like there's some kind of perception around your audience. You know Right.

Jasmine Nnenna: 38:52

Right, because it's because, like, like your journey, we met in the human design world and our audiences enjoyed the way that we translated human design from our different perspectives. And so when you have, or gain a following around that it just it kind of feels like, oh, you just keep talking about that thing, but that's incorrect for a Shores person, because then you don't have. You don't have another perspective, you don't have another side, you're just doing the same jazz.

Vaness Henry: 39:23

When I listen, let's say, to your show. You are talking about life and entrepreneurship now, and the lay and the languages you speak are. I was referencing Gene Key 52. Yes, and now thinking about the yin and yang and stress, but now though, like that's, a.

Jasmine Nnenna: 39:40

That's a super modern version, that's a super updated version of me, Whereas before it was still very much not even so much teaching human design, but still like translating, yeah, Still translating, Exactly, Still translating it. It hasn't. It didn't feel like oh, this is just something that comes out of me. This is how I this is a tool, like you said, that I use to create the systems for these entrepreneurs that I work with. One of your it's.

Vaness Henry: 40:09

I see it for you as one of your languages you speak, that you're trained in, that you gives you such a honestly an advantage when you're working with your clients. Absolutely Because, like I was saying about the six, two stuff, you can just all of a sudden look at the individual in a way where you are more informed on how to support them. Absolutely Doesn't matter what your your vocation is at all. You could be in construction and you know your boss is a manifester. That is going to affect the way you engage with that individual. How amazing would it be we're learning now that everybody knows if they're a Leo or if they're a Libra. Most people know that language. It will be so fun when we get to the point where everybody just knows if you're a manifester or a generator or et cetera.

Jasmine Nnenna: 40:55

Exactly, and I think that's the thing that we, you know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 40:59

Just to pull this all together, I think that I hear that that's what we're advocating for, because what I tend to see is people kind of get stuck in the human design space only translating it, because they see how lucrative it is, they see how much recognition they can get from it, and I think that there are some people that are actually called to continuously translate for the new people coming in.

Jasmine Nnenna: 41:22

But I hope, my hope is that the stories that you and I are sharing will point or paint a different picture that says you can infuse who you already are, what you already do, what your purpose is, what your calling is, with the language of human design. That gives you a deeper understanding when you go to your work, when you go to your healing path, when I go to my business path, it's not that I'm trying to train the entrepreneurs to learn human design like the ones that I work with. It's not necessary. It's not necessary for them to do that, it's necessary for me to do that, and I think that that's where I've kind of I don't have a full revelation around this, but as I'm watching the tea, house not yet, as I'm watching the tea house.

Jasmine Nnenna: 42:08

the tea house is very much designed in. I'm going to teach you, as an entrepreneur, to understand your design, and I don't think that that's necessary. I think that that's a bonus.

Vaness Henry: 42:17

Please. I would love an opportunity.

Jasmine Nnenna: 42:19

I would love an opportunity.

Vaness Henry: 42:20

Girl, I have so much to tell you about my shitty day. Oh my God, I would love an opportunity. When I look at the tea house, I know that you think it's like I've got to be the responsible ego word right there for training you on this language, when I think, actually I think your audience already speaks human design already speaks, astrology already speaks gene keys and, like you, they just want guidance. And here's the cool thing you can do while you speak these languages. Like you speak these languages, here's how I, leo, south Node, use these languages because I am another you Absolutely. And so then we see you doing that.

Vaness Henry: 42:59

We're like, oh my God Cause, you know how I love when you're like I was contemplating this about myself and I thought I'm going to go look at my Pearl sequence, blah, blah, blah, whatever the fuck you got on. And I'm like, ah, I want to do that too, please. What are we looking up? And I'll like follow along and do it and gain these insights about me and you. We. I'm going to speak for, I'm going to speak for the all here. We love when we get to go on those little journeys with you.

Vaness Henry: 43:23

It's like a little map of delight, of pleasure, where the reward that I get at the end is a deeper insight and understanding of myself, in a way that I can use practically to make meaningful change in my life, usually toward my business, because I'm here, because I share the value that one of the most spiritual things I could do with my life is to build a life for myself. And I think personally that a lot of that can be found in entrepreneurship, because you are free from some of the rules of the other world and there is a formlessness and a freedom that comes with the entrepreneurship world comes with other stresses, of course, and yet, for me, totally allows me to use my energy in a way that works. For me it's I've made more money as an entrepreneurship than I ever did in a job, but I've been an entrepreneur since I was like 20. So I mean, it's not really what kind of jobs did I have? You don't?

Jasmine Nnenna: 44:19

have to say entrepreneur, since I was like 20. So I mean, it's not really what kind of jobs did I have? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I totally, I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you because it's. It's one of those things where we can get caught in the details and the depth of human design that we forget to just use it as a reference point to double check our work, so to speak, to say, oh, I want to go and do this thing, but I'm not taking the action to do that.

Vaness Henry: 44:40

Well, okay, I'm in an interesting area because I have taught human design concepts pretty textbook and by the book and now I've got to the point where I actually don't think I could do that anymore, because I have worked with people so long now that like not not one person, but like different people, and I've been helping people integrate for so long now that I as a journalist have accumulated so much data that doesn't always follow the rules of how I understood it from human design and I'm no longer comfortable teaching a human design concept that I actually haven't seen and witnessed in real life. So actually I don't talk you'll notice this I don't talk a lot about quote unquote, transference on the determination variable, and some people really resonate with that. They're like oh my gosh, I'm sound and I transfer to taste. Oh my God, I really see that. I actually don't see that. Really. That's not how I understand it. Even though color does transfer like that is a real concept it behaves differently on the body side to me than the personality side, because your personality is not a fully formed thing, it's a constant changing, so can you just perceive it, but the body changes much slower, if that makes sense, like if all of a sudden you're a mountains person and you're living in your parents' basement and you've been there and you realize, like fuck, I'm not on the mountain, I'm literally underground in the cave. Like, oh my God, this is what Vanessa talks about.

Vaness Henry: 46:12

Well, you can't just move out of your parents' basement Like you can't just change the transference in that moment. First of all, if you're a generator or a projector, you're gonna need to wait for something, you know. But also, why are you there in the first place? You are in survival mode, likely, if you're in your parents' basement. You know what I mean. So what has been going on in the wider life? So it's almost like when? So not determination, but in the environment, do you see what's a slower change? It's like, all of a sudden, the lifestyle, something was happening that I've now ended up in my parents' basement, so to, and I'm in survival mode. So to get out of that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 46:48

I need some time. I mean, we can talk about just the examples that we both just shared, which was that we were in the kitchen. We had both feet in the kitchen because of survival. Why? Totally Because we needed to. We needed to take care of our families. This was our business, this was our everything, and it was pretty unconscious, like it was. I didn't, I didn't, absolutely.

Vaness Henry: 47:10

Well, I still think it was a shore. But the shore, the landscape, environments, mountains, valleys and shores they change. The energy around around them changes. So there was a point where you found human design.

Jasmine Nnenna: 47:24

You're putting your foot in the world, cool world yeah, cool space.

Vaness Henry: 47:28

Oh, suddenly I'm conditioned by it and now I've got a language and a culture in that world, moving on. You know, yeah, you gotta move you to conditioned me like raw was on the conditioner trajectory. He's conditioning you with that. He's deconditioning you to recondition you in a way that's hopefully more aligned. So like something I think about all the time is like could you and I stop speaking human design?

Jasmine Nnenna: 47:51

if we tried, probably not, I actually think we could, I think that we would replace. So I think that we would replace the words because, funnily enough, the meetings that I'm taking, I'm speaking human design, but I'm not. This is what I mean, but I'm not but I'm not saying the words, but right, like the essence. You're not speaking that clunky, no, no no structures.

Vaness Henry: 48:12

Yeah, no, no, no, no but, but.

Jasmine Nnenna: 48:14

But. I'm saying things like you're an evaluator, like that's your job, and if anyone is rushing you, then they don't need to be on your team. You need to take as much time a minimum of 30 days to do X, y and Z.

Vaness Henry: 48:28

To my point, though, are you speaking to a reflector in that example, but you know that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 48:32

But that person doesn't Exactly. But I'm saying, the person I'm speaking to doesn't know that they're a reflector. Well, we do.

Vaness Henry: 48:39

You know your condition, so to me you're still speaking. Human design.

Jasmine Nnenna: 48:46

Right, the essence of it, but maybe not the length, not the yeah, yeah.

Vaness Henry: 48:50

You might not be going. My cognition is blah blah, blah and I'm transferring to blah blah blah.

Vaness Henry: 48:55

It sounds like a bunch of Honestly. It sounds like a bunch of Answering to blah blah blah. It sounds like a bunch of honestly. It sounds like a bunch of Alien language Robotic. Yeah, and to be honest with you, like I try to use that language as little as possible. Yeah, because in my head, the whole point of this is we've got to be able to teach it to kids and share it with kids. That's not going to be how we're speaking. Yeah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 49:23

We're not using that big clunky language to explain to kids. So, especially in our industries, if you don't work in the human design industry, nobody who cares, so okay.

Vaness Henry: 49:26

So what I mean, though, is, like, could we stop speaking it? No, I don't think we could, because I might not quote unquote say it to you, but I'm fucking talking to you like you gotta wait 30 days, girl, and you know I'm speaking human design to you, or I'm like gotta listen to your gut, girl. I'm not calling you a pure generator, and yet I am yeah, uh-huh, yeah, yeah, well what?

Jasmine Nnenna: 49:46

does your gut, say jazz yeah, I couldn't not talk to you like that exactly, exactly and so and so the, the, I don't want to say the world that's opening up, but the, the people that are not in the human design space that I'm meeting. I'll say it like that they are obviously open to the essence of human design without knowing it's human design.

Vaness Henry: 50:07

Because they're open, they're opening up to me like they, they're wanting something I've seen you go through though I've seen you go through this many times is they don't know human design. And then you fucking connect with them in a way and they then want to learn it from you. And you get caught and then dragged to go teach it. You're at some cool event and they're like I would love for you to come do this workshop and teach. You fucking do that all the time. And you're like why does this? They want to learn it from me. So you're like I'm going to create a resource then here, go learn it here. You don't have to. I don't want to keep teaching this to you. You know what I mean.

Jasmine Nnenna: 50:42

Yeah, it's true, it's, it's. It is a weird thing that continues to happen, that it's a pattern, and I think what I like the most is sending people like I just like recommending things. I will say please go to Benes, please go do this other thing. But then from a business standpoint, you do have to start thinking like okay, everyone wants you to do something and you keep outsourcing it, you keep recommending it to other people.

Jasmine Nnenna: 51:11

And then you start thinking like, okay, exactly how I'm supposed to make money from this. Like, like, what exactly is the revenue stream here? Like you see that I enjoy doing this thing and so you invite me to come and do it. And so I do it and I make the money, and it doesn't always hit the full satisfaction. So that has been my journey of finding what that full satisfaction, you know. Really responding to what's that full satisfaction?

Jasmine Nnenna: 51:36

Yes, it excites me and gives me satisfaction to have a conversation with someone who now speaks human design, but does it excite me to teach it to them? Does it excite me to, like, create resources that are very in the moment and they don't? It's not in a step one, step two, step three. It's like I'm going to talk about this thing because I'm interested in it right now and then you can go and learn about it. Like you said, the Pearl sequence I'm not going to teach you the Pearl sequence, but I am going to talk about it in a way that I use it and if that is the teaching pathway for you, hold on hold on.

Vaness Henry: 52:14

There's a very specific thing I have tracked, with a couple interesting niches that I would like your perspective on. I have seen a high volume of black female martyr heretics, three, fives.

Jasmine Nnenna: 52:27

Okay.

Vaness Henry: 52:28

Who place teaching on the highest echelon of respect. So if you're a teacher, that's the most respectful something, because I find I'm always encouraging these three fives. You're the artist, but there's something about. But if I'm the teacher, then I have some kind of perception or some kind of respect, and I hear it specifically in Black women and the need to be seen a certain way. An artist sometimes isn't enough, because there's not as much respect or credibility or something.

Vaness Henry: 53:03

I'm not sure what it is. Maybe you'll be able to speak to it, but it's like they need the protection maybe, or the, I don't know. It feels like it might be respect of the persona that comes with teacher. So then, of course, it makes you think of the three and the six. But like the fucking artist is the three and the six, but like the fucking artist is the one to be like what don't be a fucking teacher. That's like you're up on a pedestal and you got to fucking be perfect, or they're going to like well, like the, the artist is like my teachings are in my art forms, I will, I, I don't. I'm not here to help you learn anything from me, but you're going to learn through me. You know you're going to take something away from the art forms that I put out in the world, or like an art form, not just like you happen to have been a.

Vaness Henry: 53:50

DJ, you know but art form, in that you're a speaker, you're a brilliant mind. You can look at anyone's business and cross attention into the perfect degree to bring it back into harmony, regardless of where it is in disharmony. And so what is that?

Jasmine Nnenna: 54:05

I think what you're describing is like a new paradigm that's just coming into being, where the artist is now pedestalized, or rather, it's not that the teacher is depedestalized and the artist replaces them, but is that the artist grows in respect and in honor the same way that the teacher has. I think for so long the teacher has been a symbol of, yes, respect and honor and discipline and devotion and success, and devotion and success, and I think that the artist is just now starting to take its place as something that reflects a similar, a similar but different perspective, because I mean, we see P, someone like P, who is an actual like what the world would say is an artist.

Vaness Henry: 54:54

Quietly left the human design world. Absolutely the human design.

Jasmine Nnenna: 54:57

Absolutely and is left the human design world Absolutely and is sharing their philosophies in visual artistry still in a way that resonates with typical artists, like what society says an artist is Great example.

Vaness Henry: 55:12

Piva Ferry grew and expanded while speaking human design and then moved into the teaching of timeline jumping, which is a beautiful distillation of P's design. Like when you look at P's depths it's like yep, absolutely. And then that started to really become the focus, which then re-centered the art form. The ways to teach this and express this got P re-centered back into P's art. And yet the explosion and growth happened during the time where human design was being spoken. So P's a five too.

Vaness Henry: 55:50

So let's just use that as an example to look into, to self-reflect with. For a really, I used to go to psychics all the time, jess, all the time, and I and it would always go to the this kind of conversation around like I want to talk about cancer, I want to talk about the energetics of cancer, and the psychics were always like it's not time, it's not time. I get fucking frustrated and like I'm not putting my power in your hands, and they're like you'll, the time will come, you will be able to speak about this, but it's not the time. So anytime I would ask about it. There's my first problem Like I'm giving my power away.

Vaness Henry: 56:22

Anyway, I got my, the awareness of me, my exposure in the world to a certain degree, with human design, for example. At the time of this recording, I have 20,000 followers on Instagram, 20,000 followers on Pinterest. Do you know what I mean?

Vaness Henry: 56:37

Like you've amassed a following at this point, who trust you in a way and then all of a sudden it does come the time to be like. This is what we'll be talking about, because this is what's important for me. That happens to be healing. That thread has always been there, but how might we recenter the focus on that? But for me, I'm not giving up human design per se, because I deeply bow to that, because that was the tool that allowed me to use my psychic vision to see patterns of illness, potentials, which then opens us up to a potential field, let's say I hope when I come off the roof of preventative alternative medicine, jazz, I just looked at this thing. I came across these charts and they all had MS and they all had. They were all undefined in the head and the heart and one of the centers were totally open so interesting. And all the channels from the solar plexus to the throat were totally open. So it makes me right away thinking about the neural pathways and the nervous system and the neurological, how the brain functions. There were these patterns in Selma Blair's chart, Christina Applegate's chart, Like cause.

Vaness Henry: 57:47

I had looked at a client with MS and it was like what the fuck is that? Why are these? Why are? They all look the same there. What is that? And I wouldn't be able to do that without understanding how to look at the body graph. But ultimately, like I don't want that to take me away from the fact that I study shamanic illness and the body graph is the tool to look like like the prince. The core principle of shamanic illness is you either have something in your energy field, which is the aura, that shouldn't be there, or you're missing something from the energy field that should be there and we can distill all illness back to that. And if it goes ignored and untended for long enough, it will seep into the body and could potentially make the body unwell.

Vaness Henry: 58:31

Well, you can see how human design piqued my fucking interest when I got to variable. It was like wait, what? Suddenly that all is very interesting. So then really learning how to read the body graph became this important skill that allowed me to make predictions and see things in people that's like, okay, a totally open head and a totally open heart and all these open channels doesn't mean you're getting MS, don't worry.

Vaness Henry: 58:56

And yet we have patterns that we can see that if there's a lot of trauma somewhere, either in what you believe in, the faith, like the head, or perhaps the emotions, or perhaps the will, the ego? Were you doing things you didn't want to be doing for too long, Like what was going on there? What do all these stories have in common? So we can see that there are these potentials in the design. You know, we can see that it's not doesn't mean you're going to get this, but nature versus nurture. You know, let's be aware of this so we can then be preventative with our alternative medicine. Do you know what I'm saying when I say that?

Vaness Henry: 59:35

Anyways, that's what I like to look at, and I have to know human design. I have to know the shamanic arts. Feng Shui is a huge component in that, because that's going to help you make the adjustments you need to make in the environment to actually begin the facilitation of healing that the body. The body can't heal if it's not in the right environment. Like Roth famously talks about cancer patients going to the hospital waiting to die because they're just so in the wrong environment, there may be the one individual where they get in the exact environment they need, whatever they need, but it's not going to be common.

Vaness Henry: 1:00:08

So it's not about the treatment, it's not about all this technology we have, but then the actual space, emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually, that the individual is in, because that's what needs to stimulate healing. So that would totally change. Treatment of everything.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:00:25

Absolutely, and I've been telling you this and I will continue to tell you this is that oh, my God, what, that's what you're going to do, because those are the visions that always come to me about that Inner vision me that always come to me about that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:00:37

Inner vision. Me, it's always the same. It's just everything that you just said, starting with the energy first, and it's preventative, but it does. It will take time to gather all of your data and do the things in a way that it's about awareness building, right, because I can't actually prove anything. I can't even prove anything. And it's not about, but it's not. But it's not about the it's not exactly.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:01:00

It's not about proving about the proving, it's about an, it's about an option. It's about giving people options, choice to go down their own rabbit holes and take the power away from big pharma or or you know the powers that be. We can say and bring the power back into their own hands and say my, it's my health, it's my body, I'm going to make the choice. It's not about proving if your way works or this way it all works. They all work, they all totally.

Vaness Henry: 1:01:33

You know my perspective on that is like pointed out, cause I just point out patterns and go that's hey, that caught my attention. I think that's weird, but I'm not explicitly saying any real opinion and I find when I when I start to talk about, like I recently shared, a country artist who had passed away who had stomach cancer and I showed where I looked in the body graph like, and what I saw, someone who had listened to that then reached out was like, oh my god, I just came across Val, came across Val Kilmer's chart. He has a totally open throat and he had all that throat cancer.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:02:02

He can't speak now.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:03

So as I put more, as I initiate and put more stories out there, like I'm not creating anything, I'm just echoing and amplifying Look at this, look at that, look at this. People then keep oh, that was crazy. Then they go and look at something else, like Val Kilmer, and like, wow, I'm seeing it again. That is weird and it's enough to rattle and disturb them in a way that they start to look at themselves differently. They start to do you know what I mean Like hmm, I know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:02:31

Well, just hearing everything that you are distilling down, it just makes me think about myself, because that's, that's our design, that's what we do each other yeah yeah, listen to each other and say how is this working in my world? Yeah, and just thinking about the desire to build aquarium businesses and how satisfaction you get in that yeah, the, the, the impact.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:02:58

it touches more than just the business. It's not just there's a founder and then we have a successful idea, and then there's money. It like rivers and streams and touches these other things that we don't necessarily connect to business. And I think there's something really transformative about I was going to say initiating, and I'm not necessarily initiating like in the manifestor way, but evolving past a way, a traditional way of doing something and seeing what's on the other side of yes, that's great, we have free market capitalism and blah, blah, blah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:03:40

What happens when we take what we know and turn it up a notch or shift it in a new direction or decide to design something in a way that still respects and honors where we've been but knows that that's not going to get us to where we want to go, and the more that I think about business in that way, which is kind of. I was having this weird epiphany this morning where I know everyone's talking about slow business and soft business and gentle business and all those things. I'm so for that. I'm so for it. Do not mishear me.

Vaness Henry: 1:04:13

Why do I think there's like a butt coming on here? I'm so excited.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:04:17

And we also need to be including ambition and aspiration and climbing the ladder and see like really infusing. That's spiritual. They're not separate. It is, but it is, but they. But for so long they have been perceived as separate, to the point where, if you're a venture capitalist, you're a cold hearted fill in the blank. Here's like wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I follow some vcs on instagram and they, first of all their feeds are beautiful, they're talking about saving the pandas and doing all these vc venture, a venture, a venture capital, a venture capitalist.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:04:56

But then they have funds, venture capitalists, thank you, they put together funds thank you for our simpletons in the room.

Vaness Henry: 1:05:02

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:05:04

Well, they use these funds to then funnel that money to businesses and founders who share the same belief and vision that they do, and so you can actually have different venture studios that stand and advocate for certain things. Normally they're standing and advocating for, let's say, say, like health care or the earth, cleaning up the earth, those things. I really feel like there's not enough of these vc studios that advocate for our social awareness, how we connect with ourselves and how we connect with others, and I think that the wellness industry does that so well. But it's very personal brand, it's per person, and there's, again, nothing wrong with it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:05:50

I think that we are going to need a mixture of personal brands, but then I think we're going to need also faceless brands, more communal brands, like a Patagonia, things that make people rally around a philosophy, a truth, a value that they're instilling in their own ways, in their own lives. Yes, we love people that are showing us breathwork and Reiki and all those things. Or when you start to talk about growth or how many people can get access to what you're doing. Yeah, we have to shift from not we have to shift, but we need to include more of asset building founders, founders that want to build, like the next Airbnb founders that want to build the next Zoom or whatever the thing is that's going to touch Aquarius, the collective, more people. We absolutely need the exemplars of building these personal brands. Let's even say someone like Lacey Phillips from TBM, where she has shown that you can build an income, you can build a-.

Vaness Henry: 1:06:56

She's been fun to watch grow. Hey, she's been fun to watch grow.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:06:59

Yeah, it's been, yeah, it's, it's, it's been a. It's been cool to watch her because I think she represents the entrepreneur that can shift from only having an idea to creating a business that replaces their income and and they can start thinking about building generational wealth for their families and their adjacent communities. What I really want to, what I think is so equally as powerful, but in a different domain, is the founders that have these ideas that are so big and large that they almost don't make sense, like when Airbnb did found. Oh, you want people to just sleep at your house. That was not a thing. Now we all think of it and we're like, oh, that's normal, duh, yeah, it's it, yeah, duh. But what? What actually happened with airbnbs? That they created a culture of human trust that allowed uber to thrive, that allowed lyft to thrive, that allowed doordash to thrive? You?

Vaness Henry: 1:07:55

talk about this a lot. Yeah, before that yeah, it just.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:08:01

It creates trust where it couldn't have been other than someone saying you can come stay at my house, pay me $30 a night or whatever, because hotels try to build trust by giving us an experience and luxury very similar to this chat, like where we're, you know, let's just hang out, let's just be friends and hang out. That's what Airbnb did. It lowered the playing field. It allowed more people to become maybe mini entrepreneurs or side hustlers.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:08:28

It opens things that you wouldn't normally think that it would open, and I think that is such a beautiful and bountiful version of God in its omnipresence, where you think I'm only siloed in this one place or you think I'm only in this one idea. But watch how I grow and watch all the other things that I touch. I think there's something so magnificent about pursuing that and seeing all the different things that it's connected to Even the founder of Poo-Pourri. They've now moved into dog-pourri. They've now moved into into dog puri. They've now moved into just things you don't into pot puri, literally for weed smokers. Oh my god so that they can.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:09:11

I know, I know, I know cool cool speaking of beautiful, bountiful god gods.

Vaness Henry: 1:09:20

Your skin looks luminous as always, looking does. Thank you and I was just listening to, being like she's so beautiful to look at. I love this whole dreamy aesthetic. I appreciate so much that she shows up like this for me, cause you know, you told me once I was maybe having a little bit of an ugly zone. I don't know. Oh my God, why do you always tell this story like this? Let me get it out. Let me get it out. I was perhaps hermiting?

Vaness Henry: 1:09:44

That I called you ugly. She never called me ugly. I was perhaps hermiting too hard and I was perhaps showing up online as this haggard, wretched thing, which is valid because I know, oh my. God, would you just let me use the aggressive language for comedic effect, please? Thank you very much. Okay, so I was looking like a troll. Okay, a friend once called me a dirt troll and I was so offended.

Vaness Henry: 1:10:11

But I'm gonna use it in this wow, that's deep I was looking a little like you won't even let me insult myself and I love, love that. So I was having a time where I was not shining my best and jazz very lovingly said to me something along the lines of like, put some fucking makeup on. It wasn't that, but it was like is it really that I'm like? It takes so long she doesn't really take that long to the. It was what I needed, because I then showed up on an interview on someone's podcast and I and I didn't look as put together as I can and I just thought, if they showed up to me the way I'm showing up to them, I'd feel a way and the perception of me. I got to tell you when I show up in some glam, they are excited and I like that because it's like I put myself together for you, because you're important to me and I want to meet you with that energy and you reminded me of that important teaching. So, on the topic of perception, I'd like to now read you for Phil Um, cause you're you're fifth line, so you have a special relationship with perception. And while I was listening to you talk to us about the Aquarian entrepreneur and these values and these philosophies. You're showing me your nodal journey because, jazz, you're so brilliant that you needed to first educate us on what those values are.

Vaness Henry: 1:11:40

We were, we are at a time of a changing world and sure we in theory might want to build a business that is, quote, unquote, ethical to a certain degree, or do you know what I mean?

Vaness Henry: 1:11:51

Sustainable to what? Of course, but we actually didn't understand yet. You, you did need to do some educating of us, you know, so that we could begin to see the world your way, and I think you collected as an open throat all the languages that you could to express yourself and share those teachings, so that you could show us like we need cross attention, we need to bring something into harmony here, and I need you to all be aware of this so that we can be building these things together in the future. So there there was this component to your journey where I am seeing like the ego and the Leo and the teaching and the Aquarius and the sharing. You did need to honestly take some pride in the way you see and philosophize the world and find the courage and bravery, very Leo, to put yourself out there in a way that says I understand this this way I perceive this future potential available to us. Here's how I understand this.

Vaness Henry: 1:12:59

There's all these educating, resounding things that we then got to go and I resonate with that or not, and like, wow, you opened up my mind, like, let us not forget of your defined brain, your brilliant mind yeah, I need to impact these people's minds. And then they're like with you, like, yeah, whatever you put out, like you, you're very adored figure in the human design space, of what you put out, the example that you are, and you're not perceived in my worlds, anyway, as a quote, unquote human design teacher, you know? No, I don't think so. You're very much the three, five, like I'm an Aquarian entrepreneur. That sounds cool. What is that? I don't know what that is. Well, here's what it is. And you had to do that first.

Vaness Henry: 1:13:46

And now it's like now that you all understand peasants, now that you all understand this philosophy, you know what I mean. What might we build together with them, aquarius, and what? Might we take pride in building Leo self-node integrated.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:14:03

Absolutely, and I love, obviously. I always love when you read me that way.

Vaness Henry: 1:14:09

Thank you.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:14:10

You get scared and like I'm going to read you for filth, I know I do, but the more that I hear you, I think that it's so accurate, especially with the different transitions that we're going through in our transit astrological charts, like we're both being asked this year to really step into a very expansive 20-year cycle where pluto is shifting into our seventh house and it's asking us to kind of grow up in a bit, use the skills from all previous six houses and move into the seventh house.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:14:39

Our client base is going to change, because seventh house is our client base. Who we talk to is going to change. The relationships that we form with other people in our industry is going to change. It's essentially saying your industry is going to change and we're right on track. That's exactly what's happening is that? I think that there are more than enough entrepreneurship based coaches in the space to support people that want to become income-generating entrepreneurs. However, I don't think that there's enough aware strategists whatever you want to name me CEOs that will mentor and cultivate the next generation of Airbnb founders or the next generation of Patagonia founders. I don't see that. I don't see anyone talking about it. I don't. Yes, they're talking about it in the space of private equity and VC and even with Kim Kardashian and Sky Partners.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:34

That was cool. Yeah, it's all happening. I love her as a three five example.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:15:38

Every time she does something new.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:40

I send it to you, like I'm like look what you're going to do next Jazz.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:15:43

I know I just watched a whole interview with her and her partner, the equity partner.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:50

And that's a big deal that she's doing.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:15:52

that I don't think people really realize that it's a huge deal Just based off of the vibe in the room it's dry as hell. A hundred percent.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:16:04

Do you know what I mean? And so, basically, she's coming into that room and saying look at the billions of dollars that I've generated. I know what I'm talking about in terms of creating more personal oriented brands that don't seem to exist in this space, because venture capital is all about scalability and exiting. You can't do that with a personal brand. Like, it's very hard. How do you scale a person? They die, you know, and that's the end of it, and so she's trying to do something different where maybe it's you know, and they didn't say too much.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:16:34

So this is me just conjecture at this point, but taking these kind of very stagnant brands and infusing them with more personality that could generate income over a longer period of time, as opposed to the traditional way of we're forward made to last Boring Like nobody cares about that anymore.

Vaness Henry: 1:16:53

It doesn't work anymore. The world doesn't work anymore. Exactly Whatever the fuck you want about the Kardashian family, but don't miss the point they represent something, they have interesting experiences and they are on the cutting edge of certain things, to the degree where they're now influencing. It called the influencer, which now has opened up that formless reality for all kinds of new people to now generate wealth and generational income in new ways that were not previously available. It's interesting, exactly.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:17:35

It is, it is, and, as I yeah, go ahead.

Vaness Henry: 1:17:38

Well they represent, like their story is so interesting, like here's these string of sisters. It's very Disney storybook to me you know, and they all look a different way and do a different thing. And do you know? And they all have their own little stories, and so and they're in such a sphere of public awareness that you could put them in the like if we were to rewind in time to the time of, let's say, Cleopatra. They are at that level of influence.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:18:07

Do you know what I'm saying?

Vaness Henry: 1:18:08

So you can put them on a God level of the influence they have in the world. And God I mean as in like Cleopatra called herself God, like she, she said I am reincarnated, yeah. Yeah, but cause she? She was playing a different game, she was brilliant, she was experienced and she was rubbing shoulders with different kinds of people. And we still tell her story because there are teachings in it. I think that will be something that that family does, like they read, so not that we're calling them cleopatra or gods.

Vaness Henry: 1:18:38

But in our time, when we look in cleopatra's time, when the people look to the public eye, everyone knew who Cleopatra was because she was royalty. Well, what's our version of a sort of royalty now, where they're untouchable, they have unlimited wealth, they can do whatever they want, they have incredible power. They can change the world. Like that's what we're looking at, just with a modern lens, through a modern time.

Vaness Henry: 1:19:00

With a modern lens exactly so we're all gonna have feelings about them, but you can also look at them and see the teaching through it you know, and not get so caught up on like remember, they're a human and they make mistakes, but you?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:19:14

can see something there, exactly exactly, and I think what we're watching for is the mythology of humanity.

Vaness Henry: 1:19:19

Absolutely absolutely.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:19:21

That's showing up in their storyline, because, as I'm watching her talk in this room, a very boring man that are talking about, wow, you're like the seventh.

Vaness Henry: 1:19:30

That's fucking cool that she's in there.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:19:32

It's. Not only is it cool that she's in there, it creates this dynamic where you have founders with really great ideas and they're building these great big businesses, but then they reach a point where everyone around them is telling them dilute yourself, dilute yourself, dilute yourself, stop telling your story, stop talking about what you represent within the human spectrum.

Vaness Henry: 1:19:58

Right, and I'm like, uh-uh, we need to do the opposite of that. I totally agree with you. It's like uh-uh, we need to do the opposite of that. I totally agree with you, it's like tell the founder's story.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:20:06

If we want to grow more, if we already have a great high quality product or service? Yes, we need, and that's what Aquarius is there for. It's like for the people. We made this product for the people.

Vaness Henry: 1:20:18

Do you hear the Leo wisdom in that, the Leo wisdom of the individual story and plucking it out to let it shine? There's such a connection between Leo and Aquarius.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:20:28

Yeah, yeah, and I feel like in the space that I've been inhabiting, where it's, and I love it. I've loved it and I have loved talking to entrepreneurs and seeing where we're at. But I then, when I look in that world and I'm just like we need more people there. I feel like the online space you could find a business coach anywhere. Do you know what I mean? But then you look at the founders on that side and they're all getting the same homogenized advice. Totally Don't don't show who you are, don't even know who you are Like. They don't. They don't know what human design is. They don't don't show who you are, don't even know who you are like. They don't. They don't know what human design is. They don't know that they're a generator, a manifester or this or that. And I think there's something so cool about me being pulled in that direction and saying look at all these stars. They don't even know that they're stars and they're getting advice from these men that just are like no, no, no, just be anonymous, why, why?

Vaness Henry: 1:21:26

Why no? Thank you, that sounds boring. Can I ask you, can I yoink you in this direction now? You've been wanting to tell me something for days.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:21:35

No, that's what I wanted to tell you, everything I told you. It feels like I'm shifting. It feels like I needed my training, like I've gone through my little training program of being an online entrepreneur and I was just talking to my mom this morning before she so rudely hung up on me. I gotta go. I'll call you back. Thanks, mom, I was like pouring my heart out to her. No, I gotta go. I'll call you back. I'm like, thanks mom, I was like pouring my heart out to her no, I got to go.

Vaness Henry: 1:22:03

I'll call you back. I'm like thanks, mom, oh, I'm available. I'm available anytime you need. Okay, when you need a mom replacement, I'm available.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:22:10

If you didn't get it all out, you still need to cry, you just I certainly did not get it all out, because I was pouring my heart out to her and I was telling her. I feeling like I'm feeling like God's really calling me into this place, where I'm not going to be the star anymore, and it's really going to be about me calling out the star and the other person and and provoking that out of them and saying, wow, look how beautiful and amazing it is for you as a person, but also for the business, If the underlying issue is we got to make money how can we use your star power to generate this money and the other thing you know?

Vaness Henry: 1:22:51

wait, wait, wait, jess. How can we generate your star power, something sparkly on that Something?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:22:54

sparkly. How can we use your star power to generate money? That's gotta be.

Vaness Henry: 1:22:59

That's gotta be era society language somewhere. I don't know where you've been saying that, but that sounds love that Generate my star power. How do I do that? Yeah, it's.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:23:08

It's like yeah, just just that whole thing, and I just don't think that there is enough in that bigger space. I think that we have so much in our online digital space, but I'm talking about the kind of money that, yeah, I mean half a billion and above. That's what that VC world is talking in terms of-.

Vaness Henry: 1:23:31

I think there's going to be a massive, massive shift in the distribution of wealth in the next 20 years, especially with boomers passing away. It's going to be a very interesting time. Very interesting time, very interesting.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:23:49

Absolutely, and and for me, I feel like the seed of that is knowing the founder and knowing their story and looking at them as an example or as an expander. If we use TBMs were to say, oh they're, they're doing that, I can, I can do that. It's like calling the people from below, can, I can do that. It's like calling the people from below. Hello, that person that just went exit or or just exited with with their, you know, in in the stock market. They were just like you, totally.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:24:10

They built this thing just like you did but everything around that world is so secret, like secret society and like close to the public, and you don't really know what's going on, and they use so much fucking jargon that you don't even want to learn what's going on.

Vaness Henry: 1:24:24

So automatically, well, that's the, it keeps you out right, all these jargon, heavy areas, worlds or spaces, the language can be the barrier, exactly.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:24:35

It keeps you out and I'm fear motivation, so I'm like you're not gonna keep me out. I'm just gonna learn what cap table is. I'm just just going to run circles around you A hundred percent, and that's, and that's just, and that's just what's going to happen, and I imagine that's what Kim is also doing. Do you know what I mean? Learning so that when she sits at the table, yeah, underestimate me if you want to, but you're the one that's going to be losing because here, investing in this, company that no one understands.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:25:00

I mean it's, I think of it, just even with our potential view. 10 years ago, when I was getting my wedding dress made, I found this girl on Instagram. She had like a hundred followers. I reached out to her and I said I really like what you're doing. I'm getting married. Can you make a custom wedding gown for me? And she said yes, absolutely, I can't wait. So she came over to our loft. She got my measurements. We picked out the fabrics together. I was very specific. I told her exactly what I wanted and I just knew that she could do it. She didn't have a following. No one knew who she was, had a feeling Two weeks before, two weeks before my wedding, I'm calling her.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:25:37

We're supposed to have our final fitting. She's not picking up. I'm calling, I'm emailing, I'm saying hey, my wedding's in two weeks. We're supposed to have our final fitting. Can't reach you, okay. This is one week now, five days before now, and I tell Alex I said you need to go to her house at this point I don't care, I need a dress or the money back to go and buy a dress.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:26:01

Alex shows up at her house, knocks on her door and her little brother answers the phone or answers the door and Alex is like hey, buddy, is your sister home. You know, I really need to talk to her, it's important. And she's just in the next room hearing the conversation between her and between Alex and her little brother, and she comes out and she's crying and she's so embarrassed and so ashamed and she has to ask her parents to give her the money back that we had paid her so that we could go get a dress. And Alex is you know four, six, 59, six. He's like. He's like, don't worry, I know this, it might seem like this is a huge part of your career, but don't worry, you're going to get back on your feet. Jazz isn't even mad. She just really wants a dress or the money back. So, you know, just basically trying to like soothe her. Last year the new york times covered her bridal show that showed at new york times. How does it make you?

Vaness Henry: 1:26:58

feel. How does it make you feel it? How does it make you feel?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:27:01

It made me feel like I know how to call the unicorns. It just it. It only because that's not the first time that that's happened. I find someone on YouTube. I'm like they're going to be a star. Check back in three years later they have a million followers. I went to school. One of my friends just won an Emmy for best actress in a in a series she writes and invented Abbott elementary. So that's my, that is my normal, that's that's the normalcy there, that, like I can see within the crowd Aquarius, who the star is, and call them forward and say we need to do something, because I've been groomed in stardom.

Vaness Henry: 1:27:46

Exactly that's where I come from and that's what I know, exactly. I love that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:27:51

Exactly, exactly. But for years I didn't quite have the language to understand what was happening. It almost just felt like I just kept picking the lottery wins or just kept picking the winning numbers. That's just. That was the feeling of it. And then you kind of look back on your life and you're like wait a minute, why am I surrounded by stars?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:28:11

But I'm not feeling like I'm the star, I'm not winning the Emmys or the Oscars, or the Grammys or the you know like the societal society's stamp of stardom, and so, yeah, you have to. You have to, like, reorient yourself.

Vaness Henry: 1:28:29

I'm fucking jumping in because this was my beef with when we did hdirl. It was like you're all fucking stars. I don't know why none of you are seeing this. I'm gonna put you on a show to show you that you're a fucking star Like God.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:28:41

That would irritate me that's Aquarius, but that's, but that's Aquarius right there. But also Pulling it and saying we're all the stars.

Vaness Henry: 1:28:47

Well, you, you talked about our potential view like personal view in the perspective variable and how it sees the potentials. I I resonate with you. I also wonder about our Leo rising there, but I resonate with you in that I feel I can look at absolutely anyone and find the exact spot where they sparkle, because I think everybody has that capacity. Don't get me wrong. There are people I look at and I'm like that's a star and I'm going to tell you every day you're a star, you're like like you're a star, you're a star, you're a star, like. I feel like. I tell people that a lot. I think they like it, I think they like it. Of course they do. I think they like it and it's like you're a star. Let me show you. Yeah, but I did. I did have that moment of myself, you know where I had to look around and was like oh, all my friends, all my friends, are writing books.

Vaness Henry: 1:29:35

Oh, you know what I mean. Like that's where I am now, that's who I rub shoulders with and that was a moment for me, you know, yeah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:29:43

I guess you're not just a little journalist from Ilda Shane.

Vaness Henry: 1:29:47

This little do you know what I?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:29:48

mean Like Exactly, exactly and so and so A perception shift again. It's the perception shift and that's what Pluto is giving us, that the people we're rubbing elbows with now.

Vaness Henry: 1:30:00

I do have to say, though, after these, these, these big Pluto shifts we've just went through, I do have a different confidence. I have a different confidence in what I'm talking about, how I will talk about it, cause it's like I've been reaffirmed. Actually, here's my direction I'm doing this. I don't care about that, that is a distraction, that is an interruption.

Vaness Henry: 1:30:22

There was this weird calibration I felt in my ego to the point where and it's still happening for me I think it will be a continuous strengthening as as we continue over the next 20 year period. Yeah, even even from a Feng Shui perspective, we've just moved into, like period nine, which is this amplifying energy Like, so anything could fucking happen right now. But it is guarded as auspicious, like, it is regarded as like lots of potential. I guess you could Exactly.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:30:53

I guess exactly exactly, exactly, so you being called more directly to open up and expand the healing path that will eventually change the way that we look at medicine, or the medical field, or the or treatments, or our relationship with our body. But see, our relationship with our body is just the seed I'm talking about on the large scale, where people will be referencing your books, doctors will be referencing.

Vaness Henry: 1:31:23

Virgo and Pisces right Like the body with Virgo, but it's beyond the body.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:31:29

Actually, it's beyond the body. It's beyond the body and it's going to touch beyond the physical realm. It's actually allowing the non-physical realm to touch us Like the things that you're talking about. It's bi-directional, it's not just one way. It's, yes, going out, but also something's coming in, and that, to me, is all I care about. All I wanna talk about and all I wanna be around is influence, like how this is influencing that and how this is touching that thing and how this is touching that thing, seemingly things that you don't normally touch and rub shoulders with. They all just want to be in the room together. That's Aquarius. We're all different, we're all freaks of nature and we're all stars. We're all going to sit in this room and talk about how we can close the wealth gap. Why? Because that's important for our social awareness.

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