No. 28 — Aquarian Entrepreneurs in a shifting world with Rachel Lieberman
I invited my good friend and Vessel of Love, Rachel Lieberman, on to the show again for a little Kitchens catch-up! I love it when Rachel comes to chat because I always gain good insight around manifestation and operating as a digital entity in the Aquarian Age. Plus, I learn something fun about the differences between Canada and the USA. Having entrepreneur friends who can relate to my opportunities and challenges always helps me grow! Together, we get real about the complexity of navigating today's shifting world, from political polarization to technological evolution, to discovering how Human Design principles can help us maintain inner authority amidst external chaos.
In this InSight, we discuss:
How a simple red hat has become a loaded symbol
American politics from both sides of the Canadian border
The moral and philosophical side of AI as an extension of collective consciousness
The evolution of content creation as Aquarian Entrepreneurs
Sharing our personal publishing journeys as I reveal my book opportunities
The real truth about "the journey" of publishing a book
Our strategic business moves for 2025
Pulling oracle cards from Rachel's deck, the Minimalist Oracle Deck
Here's Rachel's Human Design Colour Palette:
RACHEL LIEBERMAN
Design Type: 1/3 PURE GENERATOR
Colour Palette: Appetite / Kitchens / Power / Fear
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Vaness Henry: 0:00
I wanted to open with this right away, but I it was just a blubbery mess when we began. But, um, the feeling of I don't know what's happening to me came on a journey playing field of life, on a journey roaming these fields, don't know what I'm doing to have the day where I'm gonna come encounter the vessel of love. The way I was looking forward to this because we haven't done like in each other season, we haven't done that over a year. You know, and I love when we come together and like me and AC are bitching about something and you have this beautiful way of coming and just gently summarizing to remind what the point actually is and where the compassion needs to be. You know it's like right, yes.
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Vaness Henry: 1:01
I am so looking forward to talking with you today the way I have needed just a friendly hang. When we chatted the other week and you're like, do you want to do a little? I want to do a little catch up, I was like, oh, you have no idea. And then I've been in like urge land. I've been up for like did the 24 hour thing. I woke up really early this week and then went to bed at four last night and by the time I went to bed, I was like, oh my God, like I had all these ideas rifling through my head and I'm like you're done, like you're done, you've been up for 24 hours, you need to stop. Now I'm really trying to like wrestle with myself. You know, and I I I don't know how I fell asleep, cause I was. I had that moment of laying in bed, like do I grab my phone and take the notes? Because, like it's still coming in, it's just bonkers. So I didn't get all dolled up and cute today because I was like my girl is cute though.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:49
Thank you so much.
Vaness Henry: 1:50
Thank you so much, but I like to get the glam, so you're a very safe person for me that I can show up without the glam. You know what I mean. So yeah, how are you?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:58
I am well.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:59
I mean it's been a few crazy few months
Vaness Henry: 2:02
yes, what the fuck has been going on with you?
Rachel Lieberman: 2:04
yeah, well I. When was the last time we talked? Was it in the fall summer?
Vaness Henry: 2:10
like zoom face to face. I feel like I've chatted with you a bunch on voxer here. We did one of these.
Rachel Lieberman: 2:14
When the last time we did one of these I think it might have been your last- insight.
Vaness Henry: 2:19
I have this intention that I'm like rachel's gonna come do seasonal insights with me because I like to check in with her and she keeps me like accountable and that you know. But then all of a sudden it's like winter is like a blink and it's gone. You know what I mean.
Rachel Lieberman: 2:32
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 2:33
So I've had you on 16 forecasting with Rachel. Yeah, that's going to be sometime closer in fall. And then you were on a few months before that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, yeah, yeah. Manifestation mastery insight nine with rachel. Then we had forecasting ahead with rachel insight 16. Fun. Yeah, that must have been the same thing like what's coming up, what's going on? Where do we? What's happening in the kitchen?
Rachel Lieberman: 2:57
yeah, as I was telling you before, I clearly haven't been talking to anybody because I realized I had been missing my webcam for months.
Vaness Henry: 3:10
So right, right, you just you came on this call like this isn't right. I lent my husband my fucking camera and he never gave it back.
Rachel Lieberman: 3:18
And that was yeah, and that was months ago, or at least, yeah, probably like two months ago. So yeah, I haven't been doing any like official recorded anything like that with anybody in a while.
Vaness Henry: 3:30
But? But we're coming in. We're now doing the spring season thing mercury, retrograde eclipses, finally get, finally getting out of like the dark season, the heavy season. How'd that go for you?
Rachel Lieberman: 3:44
It's been. It's been dark like not in a bad way, but dark uh. Very usually I do rest during winter. That's very normal for me, but I felt like this one went on really long. I felt like a lot, of, a lot of things changed for me in November. Periodically, sort of around big world events, I'll get really intense downloads of energy. It happened to me right before COVID in like late January 2020, and then it happened again in November you were hit with the Kamala stuff, hey, or Kamala, sorry, how do I say?
Rachel Lieberman: 4:20
that. Yeah, kamala. Yeah, like the of the election, I got another one of those crazy downloads. It's taken me like months to kind of unravel, because it's very destabilizing when that happens and I felt like, oh okay, I can't work the way I have. I need to go in a different direction, not like a big different direction, but just I need to like shift my focus back onto some other things so valid and it's taken many months for that to integrate. So I felt like I wasn't really doing anything for a few months there, which was a little bit odd. I had like more travel than I usually do, especially for winter me too. Yeah, like three like plane trips, oh wow, like november, january and february, so that was right.
Vaness Henry: 5:02
You're just back from palm springs. How was palm springs?
Rachel Lieberman: 5:05
it was good. I mean, I'm not gonna complain, but yeah, yeah, it was kind of one of those trips where it just showed me like I'm ready to be home, like I'm ready I need to, I need to be home and I need to stay home for a long time, like I'm ready to just do some things and, yeah, like I I need to to complete some things before I go off again. Okay, what are we completing? Well, let's see. So the big awakening energy that I typically get, it's always about like the aquarian age, like, okay, this is a big move into the aquarian age. That feels like a big part of my purpose, like I've been on that for five years now.
Vaness Henry: 5:43
Well, yeah, longer than that, yeah, longer.
Rachel Lieberman: 5:46
But I've always talked about that, but sometimes I don't talk about it. So I just felt like I need to talk about that again and then I was just really kind of waiting around for that response to come and just not sure what I was doing. And then I was invited to this like astrology event or like talk, and I was like tell, me everything.
Rachel Lieberman: 6:08
Tell me everything. Well, it's something they do every month and it's it's very nice. Like, this woman who's an astrologer and tarot reader will kind of give the forecast for the season, and then a lot of people like draw cards for each sign and a lot of people like share what's going on with them. It's very nice.
Rachel Lieberman: 6:26
I've gone to it before it is and I didn't really want to go that night, like I just haven't really wanted to leave the house much in winter in the evening. But I was like, no, I feel like I should just go to this. Like I feel like I should, like, I feel like I have, I have the energy for it. I'm supposed to go to this reason and, funny enough, the Aquarian Age came up and a lot of people there didn't know what it was and I was like, ok, there's the sign, there's the response Like yeah, we need to be getting this information out there.
Rachel Lieberman: 6:53
People need to understand why things are happening the way they are. There's just so much confusion and fear, and so I am recording. I'm calling it like a video guide because I don't really resonate with the word course.
Vaness Henry: 7:06
course feels heavy like yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah it's to do and learn and complete and whatever.
Rachel Lieberman: 7:11
So really it's just like a video guide. So I'm working on that this week. I started recording it yesterday fun and yeah, just get that info out there. I'm doing like YouTube now. I'm doing Tik TOK now and basically just trying to rearrange my life in the United States to deal with these like big political changes and not be putting my money and time and energy. We haven't even talked about the tariffs. Well, yeah, I mean, all of that is just on and off, like it's all crazy.
Vaness Henry: 7:45
Oh man, canada's intense. So now when we go into our grocery stores, everything is labeled whether it's like Canadian made or U? S made, and the U S stuff is like literally being pulled off the shelves. It's pretty surreal. What's happening right now in this land is a re-educating of what is a local product, cause I had no idea which products were Canadian or American. It's just very so. That's very loud. Right now where I am, it's like the, the stores are definitely changing. I don't I, I I do want to say like I don't mind shopping local, like I'm like, okay, good for the local economy, I get it.
Vaness Henry: 8:21
But also, as somebody who lives in Canada very close to the border of the U? S, I'm in a, I'm in a land where the tribe is Canadian and U S. You know it spills over the border and it's kind of weird, like it's kind of you're our closest ally. You know like we share this wall, if you will, and so it is kind of peculiar whenever there's a change that happens between the two countries. Because we are so in a way like we're the silly little cousin to America. You know like we are very impacted by what America does. We definitely have very different cultures. Like I'm always surprised when you guys have different words for things. Like I went to Montreal with jazz to go to this beautiful event at this church, this like art show, and she didn't know what a toque was.
Rachel Lieberman: 9:07
I was like what do you mean?
Vaness Henry: 9:08
you're bald, you're not coming with a toque, like I don't understand, and she's like, like I was, like, I'll bring you an extra like this is Canada. What are you doing, you?
Rachel Lieberman: 9:15
know, but yeah, I'm always surprised, you know. Yeah, there are those little things. I've learned a lot of that online, just through global social media, those little things.
Rachel Lieberman: 9:25
There's a lot of. Yeah, I watch. I watch some quite a few Canadian YouTubers too, so I've learned a lot of those things just by watching them, just by seeing the different ways they say things like. So another thing I've noticed about Canadians and and I noticed this you're maybe the first person I noticed this with, but I oh god, now I've noticed it's like all the canadian youtubers call me um, so you say when you're like you complete something, you're done with it okay but canadians just say like done school, done whatever.
Rachel Lieberman: 9:55
They don't put that with oh I've noticed that that's an interesting.
Vaness Henry: 9:58
I'm done work. Yeah, we don't say that. Yeah, oh, yeah I live for these silly little weird differences, you know.
Rachel Lieberman: 10:11
Yeah, so can we talk about the political environment for a second though, Because it it's.
Vaness Henry: 10:15
it's interesting to be perceiving America now and not in America. Okay, Um, and we are very like. Is our? Is our government going to shift like your government? You know, there are these kinds of parallels, but we're being. I look, I understand that your president got voted in, Okay, and there seems to be this warpy thing.
Rachel Lieberman: 10:40
Okay, right. Well, there does seem to be this warpy thing.
Vaness Henry: 10:42
Now, like all of a sudden, I'm being bombarded with what feels like propaganda of people obsessed with him, adoring him, loving him in a way that I never saw this before. And then Derek told me when we were watching I want to say it was the Superbowl that Fox pumped in cheers for him when he came on the camera and that he was actually booed. And I was like he was booed because in the moment we did, we were watching and we heard all this cheering for him and we kind of looked at each other and we're like, oh, that's new and peculiar. Okay, I guess America really likes him.
Vaness Henry: 11:15
And then my social media, which I don't engage with. I'm very careful about how I am, how I tend my algorithm. Sure enough, there is this very pro Trump stuff being kind of pushed in my sphere and I'm like what's going on here? It feels weird, inauthentic. Either I very much wasn't aware of this before or it's being put on me now in a way that I'm now being forced to kind of swallow it down. So what are you? What's going on? What's going on there?
Rachel Lieberman: 11:43
I mean, yeah, I think the propaganda machine seems to be working overtime, which is really the cause of a lot of this. I don't see, I'm mostly on Tik TOK these days. Tik TOK algorithm is very sensitive and you don't really end up with.
Vaness Henry: 12:00
Rachel, even that you don't agree with Tik. To TikTok was gone for like an hour.
Rachel Lieberman: 12:04
Oh, my God.
Vaness Henry: 12:05
So I do want to just say out the gate, I've never been on TikTok, okay. I've never had an account, so I I'm not going to claim to know what it is, but I know that people love it and adore it. Okay, yeah, and my understanding is that it was a non-American company who owned it and the data was being used in a way that you know, america didn't like, so America wanted an American owner to own the data. Is that true?
Rachel Lieberman: 12:28
Is that? Do I have a? Yeah, they wanted them to sell. Yeah, the app. That app specifically to someone based in the US.
Vaness Henry: 12:37
Yeah, and I mean, if you look at the most wealthiest people of all time, they, their wealth, they become, you know, really influential. They usually acquire some type of media stream. In the past they used to acquire newspapers. Now, in today's age, they acquire social medias and it's just a way to control communication, right?
Vaness Henry: 12:58
like it's a very classic textbook thing. But now we're seeing all these other leaders, particularly new zealand leaders, australian leaders, are speaking out pretty loud about what's happening thing. But now we're seeing all these other leaders, particularly New Zealand leaders, australian leaders, are speaking out pretty loud about what's happening in America and the fascism or the changes or just you know, is there what's happening to the government and what is the impact on the rest of the world. And it's kind of. It's kind of a weird time, you know, because they're like look, there's these oligarchs all around giving nazi salutes. And if you are, if, if you are at such a global awareness and everybody is aware of you and you do something that the public is being construed as is this a nazi salute and you don't immediately come out and say it's not, then it is yeah it definitely was yeah and and even if it's a nod or a call or whatever and there can be debate about that, whatever if you don't immediately come out and say I wasn't doing that.
Vaness Henry: 13:51
You know, like cause, cause, look at, we give him a lot of grace. He's on the spectrum, he's got a high profile life that a lot of us don't understand. Maybe he was just reacting, but the, the dialogue that came after and the fact that it wasn't squashed is what made the rest of the world go. What the fuck's happening there? So what's what's the climate? Feel like to actually be in that melting pot, be in that kitchen as somebody who's American?
Rachel Lieberman: 14:14
It's very chaotic and very upsetting for a lot of people. I mean I live in a like a heavily liberal area in.
Vaness Henry: 14:21
Portland. Oregon, so Portland is though hey, like Portland's very.
Rachel Lieberman: 14:25
Yeah, we have like here you feel that you can, as, as a liberal person, you've. I assume that most of the people that I'm interacting with on a daily basis agree with me on most things, which is pretty true and just like my little sphere. However, I did have the opportunity I was actually in Washington DC for the inauguration to see a friend, yeah, so it was really surreal, like I actually hear that I mean, the rest of the state is red, a lot of the state. That's not like the bigger metro areas, so it's not like we don't have that stuff here. Definitely do, like you get out in rural areas and you see Trump signs and things like that, but people don't feel comfortable showing that openly in like Portland.
Vaness Henry: 15:13
In Portland? Ok, because they seem braver. Now in America People are more like standing up for Trump in a way that I didn't see before not here, though.
Rachel Lieberman: 15:21
You really can't get away with that here. So, getting on a plane for like heading to dc a few days before the inauguration, all of a sudden I'm seeing like I get to minneapolis and people are getting on my next flight all like whole families in mega hats. It was kind of shocking because I just don't see that. But a lot of the country lives in that reality. Where they're, they're mixed, they're in these purple states, you know, like red states, whatever. So yeah, and they were. I mean, they were out in droves in Washington DC and it was easy to clock them and I had a kind of an interesting experience there too. It was really cold when I was there, like what like way below freezing of. Uh, it was really cold when I was there, like what, like way below freezing, and I needed like a truly super warm hat, a two, and so I was like exactly.
Vaness Henry: 16:12
I was like I'll, just I'll just knit myself one. Oh god, you're so you, oh my god, yes, whip up a little hat, oh my god.
Rachel Lieberman: 16:21
So I spent the plane ride there knitting it. But my favorite fucking plane.
Vaness Henry: 16:26
I'm obsessed with you. I was like I have a deadline here but so my favorite color is red.
Rachel Lieberman: 16:32
Like that is my favorite color that's my accent color for everything like and thankfully in portland that's not a problem, even with all this political stuff, because we just don't have that whole scene here. So I have my red car, I have all my red accessories and I'm making this red hat. And then I got there I was like it'll be fine, because it's not like it's not a baseball cap, it's not like a trucker hat like the mag has. Like this will be fine and it really was like the only one I had.
Rachel Lieberman: 16:57
But no, it was not fine, like I was getting so many looks wearing that thing around and it was interesting, yeah, and it was interesting because, as a like white small person who fits within just the normal sort of beauty standard, I've never really gotten like looks in public from other people like me, you know, feel like people are like scowling at you or reacting in a like a negative way. So it was really interesting just the psychological experience of having that. I would hope that most people could look at sort of like the whole picture, because everyone was sizing each other up there. It was like an. It was not a safe space. Everywhere we were going.
Rachel Lieberman: 17:42
I was seeing like okay, what are these little signs that people of people's appearance? A lot of people were walking around with red hats of some kind and, because it was so cold, you know, people weren't just wearing like the mega hats, they were wearing things like I was wearing, yeah, but also it's like the way they dress their makeup, just how their faces look. I mean I really couldn't clock these republicans. This is like a joke on tiktok now about republican makeup, but it's so true, the aesthetic, the overly like the plastic surgery just the over, like the crusty, cakey, like it too much eye liner, like you could really clock these people.
Vaness Henry: 18:19
So I was like I'm hoping that people are looking at the rest of me and funny how like what you're picking?
Rachel Lieberman: 18:23
yeah, you're, like I'm clocking too much eyeliner on these literally I live for this well, and once once I noticed the sort of the psychological effect of people scowling at me, like that. I was like, oh, this is a powerful tool, so my friend and I just basically walked around like giving these people the stink eye and you know, normally I wouldn't do things like that, but this is unprecedented times like these people need to be uncomfortable. That's how I feel. It's like I can't change what they're doing. I can't stop them, but I can make them uncomfortable.
Vaness Henry: 18:55
So my friend and I were just like you speaking of uncomfortable I Laverne Cox, absolute goddess was talking about was being interviewed. You know what do tell? What do you want to say to young trans people right now? And she broke down and was like go and just be stealth, go into hiding, I don't want us getting killed.
Vaness Henry: 19:17
And I had just such full body chills of thinking of that, like of just the what's going on in the queer community right now and the fear, and also in the indigenous communities, it's like even the climate communities. You know there's a lot of unrest and disturbance and you really feel that in the cacophony of the atmosphere, you know. And even on, like the red hat commentary hey, I parade around in a red hat now, but it's red felt hat. I'm connected to the, my Freemasonry background with it. I used to be somebody who, um, I loved wearing a red angels cap, love angelology.
Vaness Henry: 19:57
It was the one red hat. Like I loved red and literally can't wear a red ball cap now out, like it was like no, I don't, don't feel right, don't feel okay, and I noticed people who do. It's true, it's like, oh, and it's, it's kind of wild, like to think of that, that symbolism and that power. And then, you know, do I want to be seen or perceived that way or not? Does that matter to me, like it's kind of just an interesting atmosphere, you know.
Rachel Lieberman: 20:23
It is, yeah, looking looking around at people like that and feeling the need to perceive those things for safety. It's, it's very different than it's, than it's been All my drag queens that I watch Rach.
Vaness Henry: 20:37
All my favorite drag queens are, like you know, being very vocal about it, and they're like you know. So I'm just going to delete my whole YouTube history and I'm a straight man now.
Rachel Lieberman: 20:44
So you know just.
Vaness Henry: 20:45
I will go in drag King mode, you know. Yeah, totally Something I did want to tell you. I have so much, I have like news I want to like tell you about, oh my God.
Vaness Henry: 20:55
Oh my God, my fucking color palettes finally out. Yeah, longest project of my life inspired by yours. Truly were like I'm gonna you, I just basically copy what you do and I do it in a much slower fucking way because I am not the amazing one. Three, and I'm like I want to make a report too, but I want to make it about this and I when I first started kind of planning the physical layout of it, it took a. It took me a year. Yeah, crazy. It doesn't seem like that big a project, but like the tech issues, the coordination, I did not like the software I used and so I'm like reluctant to recommend it, you know. But because it's the only thing available, I did that my or the body graph chart thing. I think we all use it. How do you? Rachel, using the software was so flawed for me. It's based on the Canva design, but it's not every time I would actually, cause I had PDF'd all my pages.
Vaness Henry: 21:50
I had designed everything originally PDF'd and then I got the Intel that you know you should build it within the software. So then I redesigned absolutely every single page, but to manually drop it in it wasn't intuitive. It was. I could do like one section at a time, cause it gave me such bad rage, oh my God. But then you know when it's done, you're like it's done and Ash, my manager, did all like the coordinating and setting it up. I was really just responsible for the design and the content and then there was so many issues coming up at the end of release that I had this moment. I was. I was like I surrender and give up control If it's not going to come out when I want it to come out. It was supposed to be out for Christmas.
Rachel Lieberman: 22:28
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 22:28
And I was going to do a black Friday thing and it wasn't ready because I was having all this tech issues, and so I was like, fuck it, I'm just going to do a black Friday sale on my other stuff, I'll push it back. This is ready when it's ready. And then, sure enough, I kind of got ready in the new year and I had a lot of awareness on the difference in my creative process when I'm doing a release and when I'm doing a launch very different energy, very different oomph behind what I'm doing. And the difference is a launch, I'm doing something and it's for, it's a push for a time, and then it's going to go away, it's going to open, close, and a release is like a for oops, a forever opening. You know, it's like I present this to you now. It's not going away, it's like a new kind of staple of what I'm doing and just a subtly different kind of energy behind it. And then I don't know what. I don't know what I did specifically after that.
Vaness Henry: 23:21
But then one day I had three book deals come to me, like three different people reach out one a book agent, uh one and two other ones from actual publishing houses. And I've been wanting this for a while too. I saw you did it. Some of our friends are writing. I went to your book event and I was really scoping out like what's the process? How does this work?
Vaness Henry: 23:42
My experience is in fiction, not in nonfiction, and these people who are approaching me were for a nonfiction human design book and I've been wanting to do a human design at home book since 2021.
Vaness Henry: 23:53
I started writing my blogs and I was highly strategic with that because I'm like I write fiction so I can sit down and write a short story in an urge, but I can't do that for a nonfiction reference text. Very much like your book, right, and I write more like you very. You're very strategic like me in that way. So I was like I'm just going to patiently write a blog post every month and go or every excuse me week, starting with the home office week one caves, week two markets week three kitchens, and that was six weeks.
Vaness Henry: 24:26
And then the seventh week I would do the article. That was like set up your home office, here's all the colors you know, kind of like a summary post so I could make a different kind of graphic. And then I've been doing that since 2021 every week, every week, every week, and I kind of just batch right when I I have the urge. I write seven weeks of content at a time and then I back off. Sometimes I write 14 weeks of content at a time and it all just kind of rolls out. And then the next thing, you know, you've got 20 different rooms and you could set up any room in your home.
Vaness Henry: 25:00
And so then people were pitching me like we've been thinking of this human design at home book, home book, and like you've been thinking about it and I was thinking about this, since you know, I think the route that's going to work for me and I would like your feedback on this, actually, because I don't have experience here but I'm leaning towards going with an agent instead of signing with a publishing house, because I would rather the agent go and try and get me the best deal. And the person that I'm interested in approached me properly and I want to say what that was like came in and acknowledged who I was, what my work was like, complimented me, you know, played to my ego. I see you've written before, you've done poetry, you've done fiction, so they've researched me and then you have a great voice in this particular area complimented me. So it's like they knew who I was, and so I felt this very first person who reached out, I was like something feels good with here. I bet you this person's a manifester, because I can feel they've approached me properly or something. The next one that came in same day I was like so again, I don't know what I did that day was hey, you're an expert in human design profile? No, I'm not. You know. Like they were a little bit off and I can tell they hadn't researched me enough. Like I was more the commodity they were going to make money on. And then the third one was even more watered down. It was like, okay, you just want to put out a human design book. And I'm, yeah, the next one and the first agent person who had reached out to me. They were like you came recommended by someone I had just put a book out with a human design book and I was like that's, and I didn't recognize the person. So I was like, oh well, that's great, but then my wider community is like she needs to fucking do one, like we want this resource from her, whatever. So I'm going to meet with agent at the end of this week and just see how it feels.
Vaness Henry: 26:52
And the timing of it was so funny because I had been going through all my past fiction, because I haven't published since 2017. And as I was kind of having my you know, my 20 year cancer story, going through these emotional things, looking back at some of these stories I'd wrote, they were all about love from different angles, you know love and loss, love with friendships, love for the child, romantic love was all these different perspectives on the type of love that humanity can feel and I was like I would really love to put all my past fiction work in an anthology, along with two new stories that I've been working on over winter, just because I was writing again. And I'm going to contact my past publisher because they did eight of these 10 stories to see if they would want to do this new fiction anthology with me. It's kind of like, um, you know, like I'm very steeped in indigenous philosophy and a lot of the ways indigeneity is passed on is through storytelling rather than this classic like course training, you know. So how would you pass on these messages or these teachings in sort of a creative storytelling way?
Vaness Henry: 27:59
So I felt like, wow, this book could be really shamanic, even though it's a collection of essays, of fiction essays. Never heard back from these guys yet. I don't even know if I had the right email. But then these other books started coming out, so I think it's going to be a book here. I want to do a little omen pocket book, and I was just like that's very exciting books. I know this is old news to you because you're like yeah, bitch, I've written a book already. My book's on the shelf. It's already a reference text. So'm, I'm a late bloomer, um, but that's what's? Yeah, that's what's going on with me no, that's exciting what do you think about the options?
Rachel Lieberman: 28:32
you know like what, especially on a manifestor and based on your experience yeah, mine, I feel like there are like I don't know that I did it the best way. I just did it like the way it felt natural to me, yeah, so I could definitely see as a manifester that energy of having an agent and basically that person kind of approaching people on your behalf would be like a better fit, because Well, people have said to me like why don't you just go initiate, like if you, I was like I don't want to.
Vaness Henry: 29:03
Yeah, because I don't want to go do I'm really really big this these past couple of years. Like who's my professionals? Like I have a finance background, so yeah, I could do my own accounting, accounting. I have a design background, so yeah, I could do my own marketing, my marketing major. I could do my own web design. I could do like I have all these skills that to do any of the things, but I don't have the time anymore. It's not an effective use of my time. So to do my actual craft or my actual art is which is seeing illness right, and, yeah, talking about health in a different way. But when I'm over here working really hard on a marketing plan or a fucking do you know what I mean?
Rachel Lieberman: 29:43
Yeah, I feel like it's very second line to just relax into those like your craft and not be trying to like.
Vaness Henry: 29:50
I feel that way, yeah, well so so you know, I have my whole business. I had to restructure my whole business. I think we talked about that. I closed down the next corporation opened up. The new company cost me a bunch of money, but I felt like I'm finally set up properly now. Now I have my fancy lawyer, now I have my fancy accountant, now I have my fancy agent, now I have my fancy naturopath Like, who are the professionals around me so they can worry about it for me?
Rachel Lieberman: 30:19
You know, I don't know.
Vaness Henry: 30:20
I don't know. There's like an unburdening there. So when it came to go initiate your own book deal, it's like I don't want to hunt for that. I know my writing level, I know my experience level of what I've already published. I know I'm not a risk for a publisher. So I just want them to come to me and give me the offers and I will select like. So I felt like I was initiating, I want to do a book, but I want the right person to come to me to do the labor and the legwork.
Rachel Lieberman: 30:48
I'm not interested, you know, and I'll wait.
Vaness Henry: 30:50
I'll be fine waiting. I'm not in a rush, I've already published. It's not like new to me. And another thing is can we talk about this Cause there's people don't get this side of it. It's not a money-making thing. No, it is completely an ego trip, like it's just establishing authority. But people think, oh, I'm going to get a book deal, I'm going to be rich. It's like that's not how it works. Yeah, there's the potential, of course, that something wild could happen and you it does really well and you're getting royalties. But that's not why you do these things. Yeah, and I think I had a lot of friends who are like let's do books, let's do books, and it was very it's an ego thing, right it's. It's like about the. It's not that you're going to get hundreds of thousands of dollars from it.
Rachel Lieberman: 31:35
Is this fair to say? Yeah, I mean some people. Maybe if they have a really big following, they can get like a six figure, like advance or something like that. But yeah, yeah, either they'll be able to pay that back right away and then they are making a lot of money off of it, or it becomes, yeah, like a huge hit and you're making millions, or it's just gonna take them forever to pay that back. So yeah that.
Rachel Lieberman: 31:59
Yeah, you see that a lot. Yeah, people definitely don't understand that, because I had some random people like at a party asking me about that, like, oh, would you do another one? I was like, well, if it were the right thing at the right moment.
Rachel Lieberman: 32:13
But it's not really, it has to be a labor of love because it is not a money maker and for me at least, it was a sacrifice in that, like that year, to take time away from everything else I did and do that, and it didn't leave me financially better off initially, like we'll catch up eventually, but uh, that, yeah, that definitely was not the motivator. How about your?
Vaness Henry: 32:38
approach to writing it. What did you do? Uh, yeah, I said my really strategic year timeline thing, but what did you do?
Rachel Lieberman: 32:46
well, just based on blogs too, right, kind of like I. I mean, I used whatever I had to at least get started, but there was a lot of new material in there, so it for me it was just a three month sprint.
Vaness Henry: 33:00
That was all I did basically for three months and it was, yeah, just sort of fast you're focused, like you're three parts active and you're variable right, like you're focused, so you could lock on it for three months and go ham Peripheral people, people with a lot of receptivity. I noticed struggle with that Even when Ace was writing her book, you know, and I felt she was doing it sometimes in a very strategic left kind of way and I wondered how it was going to go for her, you know, but she got through it and she, you know there's. There's different approaches and different ways to writing a book. Right, get, get the advance, give me some energy and some surge. I personally wouldn't do that because it's going to cause too much pressure on me, you know.
Rachel Lieberman: 33:40
Yeah, exactly Like I wanted a small advance. I didn't want a lot of pressure on just yeah, I wanted to just let it like go out in the world and then make me money like I don't know just not.
Rachel Lieberman: 33:55
I didn't want, yeah, I didn't want that pressure and yeah, I mean I guess I did approach it in a very left way, though I do. You know, I have my one right digestion variable, but at least and I think my editor also did because I use just my project manager skills to come up with a schedule you already have that and I you're completely stuck to that, which was interesting, like I didn't, because when I first started it I was like this is yeah.
Rachel Lieberman: 34:22
I was like I have to figure out my throughput. I haven't used that word in a while. But basically, what am I capable of every day? You, you know it's like so I kind of tested it and I was like, okay, like about 500 words a day Isn't crazy. And I knew, like I'm not, that I'm not so.
Rachel Lieberman: 34:37
I'm not so strategic that I could literally sit down every day and write 500 words. It's just not how I work I'm. I tend to do it more in like sprints kind of and then take a break for something else. But that kind of was how it worked out. It was like well, I know that I can complete this section by by this time and I I literally stuck to that. So I don't know if it was because I made that plan that it just kind of worked. I would. I look back on that. I'm like I don't know how I did that, yeah you're divinely orchestrated.
Rachel Lieberman: 35:05
It's hard with that because I'm doing another huge like project right now that requires a lot of writing. Can we hear about it? Yeah, it's what's going on? It's relationship reports partnership reports.
Vaness Henry: 35:17
I saw that, yeah, which is a massive undertaking.
Rachel Lieberman: 35:21
Yeah, so, because you have to do every combination of everything you know. Think about how many profile combinations there are. Like it's crazy, it's like so it's, it's probably gonna be doing this for a bit.
Vaness Henry: 35:31
You've been talking about this for yeah am I remembering this right? You do this in stages and chunks. Well, I think you started it then moved away perhaps.
Rachel Lieberman: 35:39
Yeah, in the summer I did a group of them for people with the idea of, like that's how I'm gonna begin to create this material, because it's a lot to just ask yourself to create without seeing any kind of like I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's hard without that external deadline. So doing them for people was a good external deadline. So I got started in that way. But then I took a. I moved away from it for other things because the software wasn't ready yet. So I was like, well, we'll just be.
Vaness Henry: 36:05
That is something that has stopped me time and time again over the last 10 years is the tech isn't there, like I want to do something but I don't know. And then two lines I don't know what to do, I'm a fucking idiot. And you're like girl, just Google it and I'm like I don't know how to Google it. My husband makes such fun of me. I'm like how I Google, like he's like Vanessa, like type in, let's not just tell it this.
Rachel Lieberman: 36:29
And I'm like second lines, Googling or something else. It's so funny Like I we joke in our house because I live with two, two, fours, Like I literally am Google and like they come and they ask me things and so and I think it's just like the defined head and first line combination. Sometimes I'm answering and I'm like why am I answering this? I don't even know why do you think I know this, but like I'll answer it.
Vaness Henry: 36:54
It's so funny, you do come off, though, like you have all the answers. So I'm just like hi, mom, what do I do? And I do know.
Rachel Lieberman: 37:02
I do kind of have an answer maybe like 90 percent of the time, but answer maybe like 90% of the time. But sometimes I'm just like, yeah, and like my husband receives all his news through me, he's like I just prefer to receive it through you.
Vaness Henry: 37:14
He doesn't know that's like me. If there's ever like shit floating around about me or someone said something about me, I never go take it indirectly. My one of my softy friends will come in and be like oh, so-and-so said something kind of like that, like I have to take it in indirect. You know I'm like, nah, I tune it out, tune it out. But if it's like coming from my friend, you know I'm like, okay, I'll listen, which I wanted to.
Vaness Henry: 37:35
I wanted to open with this right away, but I it was just a blubbery mess when we began but, um, the feeling of I don't know what I'm doing to have the day where I'm going to come encounter the vessel of love the way I was looking forward to this because we haven't done like in each other season, we haven't done that over a year. You know, and I love when we come together and, like me and AC are bitching about something and you have this beautiful way of coming and just gently summarizing to remind what the point actually is and where the compassion needs to be. You know it's like right, yes, and even even with each other, I feel like I'm if I'm repeating myself, forgive me, but you are the one of the first to come, be like are we going to do another season of that? And I'm like, okay, let's see what the girls say. Then Ace came and she was like, are we? We haven't done that in a while.
Vaness Henry: 38:30
And I was like, well, I I've kind of fallen out of touch with Kenna a bit. She's off doing her life. So if I hear from Kenna, then I'll, I'll reach out. And Jasmine I don't hear from her, but she comes online. She's like hi, I'm posting here, I am, I'm just living my life doing my same things. I'm still fabulous Bye. And I was like, okay, now I've heard from each of them that if I wanted to now go initiate, that feels right for me to be like, hey guys, we want to do, do you want to do a season? But I'm I'm working on a solo show, so that's another project I want coming out is my Shimana healing podcast, which I'm again I'm having a delay just because I did this move and everything March one having a delay just because I did this move and everything march one.
Rachel Lieberman: 39:13
So I'm like I'm the intention of each other is there for the girl hang and the chat? Yeah, exactly, I missed that.
Vaness Henry: 39:17
Yeah just that like kind of kitchens, I don't know, you know, and everybody's just like living their lives now and like jasmine kenneth is like adult daughters, like yeah, even you do, now you have an adult son, which is just like, oh my God, I basically have a teenager over here.
Rachel Lieberman: 39:32
A lot has changed in the last five years, I know. But then the human design community within us it's very different, it feels very different.
Vaness Henry: 39:41
Do you remember? We recorded a whole season in 2019 and then the pandemic happened, and so then we were like, well, let's throw that season out, because if we just don't talk about what's going on, then we did a whole other season and that's how that series began, you know, yeah, my favorite part of that show is changing up the covers.
Rachel Lieberman: 40:01
I know I still use my, I need like I'm still using my picture from our last season on a lot of my social media and I need a new picture. It is I love and I need. Like I'm still using my picture from our last season on a lot of my social media and I need a new picture.
Vaness Henry: 40:10
It is I love and I was like, hey, gals, we're gonna do this kind of photo shoot. Here's the vibe and everybody would just like, after maybe like season three, start showing up with the glam and like ready to go. And it did provide like current imagery. Yeah, it's like weirdly a thing that you need when you're a digital entrepreneur. It is.
Rachel Lieberman: 40:28
Here's my character now because I feel like I I need a new picture.
Vaness Henry: 40:31
Like I've even I even lost like maybe 10 pounds since I took that I'm like I need a new picture, you need an updated cute artist photo shoot like in your house, in your creative space that you could like, use all that for like and you're you're so fashiony and your hair hair so photogenic like you could do, like your dog, so photogenic like and the colors in your space. Yeah, it's like you need a creative little artist to come in and like stage you set you up, position, you use it everywhere or even just do my little self shoot with my dslr.
Rachel Lieberman: 41:02
I just haven't haven't been able to get it up lately. You know she can't get it up lately.
Vaness Henry: 41:07
Wet noodle energy yeah, pretty much we're working on this relationship report project. What's going on with the boys at home?
Rachel Lieberman: 41:18
well, alan is still looking for a job. It's been like a year now that he's been unemployed.
Vaness Henry: 41:23
He got laid off in this huge kind of minimizing of the staff. He was got his severance. He's been hanging out.
Rachel Lieberman: 41:30
Now he's wanting something to do okay yeah, he'd been at that job for 20 years, it really was like his only job, like as an adult, like serious job, like well, no, that's not true, but he'd been there 20 years. That's a serious chunk of time, yeah, yeah. So he's had to little two, four, kind of he is like he doesn't know how to market himself. He's you know, it's like if you've been out of the game for 20 years, even though he has the skills. Things have changed. You know, people are using different, talking about things in different ways, like using different. I have to book my fucking hair appointments on on instagram, dms no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Rachel Lieberman: 42:09
My dms are closed.
Vaness Henry: 42:10
These young 20 year old stylists and they're like. They're like just dm me. I was like my assistant will call you like I'm like. It's just. I'm like this is way too stressful for me, I don't. And she's like why is it stressful? Like, just come dm here. I'm like because you don't understand. Like I've shut that area of my life down because people will come pour their hearts out to me and I don't have the capacity to be there for them. And so now I'm a little bit of ptsd when I see I get a dm from someone I don't know. But like I'm used to being able to like phone a salon or at the very least, do some online booking on my computer. You know what I mean. Oh yeah, not the case here. My my stylist. She had a baby. So then I got pushed to this new stylist and these girls are young and they just use this tech. And they're like let's take pictures of your hair. I'm like let's, not, let's just take me, follow me.
Vaness Henry: 42:56
I'm like I don't want it.
Rachel Lieberman: 42:58
I know, or like yeah, people run like entire businesses over a text message. Now, which is crazy to me, I'm, oh my god that's not for me.
Vaness Henry: 43:07
It's not for me. I don't like being on my phone and like I don't know.
Rachel Lieberman: 43:11
I don't know. No, I yeah. I mean, I think millennials, we're a computer generation. It's like people joke. There's like computer tasks and phone tasks and like things that require like a lot of reading or research or things. Those are, those are computer tasks I like the computer tasks.
Vaness Henry: 43:28
Yeah, is that a millennial thing?
Rachel Lieberman: 43:30
yeah, I think so, like phones also gen z has very little uh. So you know, we, when we grew up to use a computer, you had to really know how to use a computer, because oh yeah we could fix a problem. Write any code. Oh yeah, oh yeah, like we. Uh, you know, if you want to make a website, you had to know html, you had to get into the css, yeah, the back, you know the back end of the computer.
Rachel Lieberman: 43:50
Like my dad and I built computers because and that wasn't, that wasn't on back then because that was how you got a good computer at a decent price. Yeah, gen z, you know they know nothing. They know chromebooks. You know it's like they, they don't know tech the same way we do shoot even it just already works for them.
Rachel Lieberman: 44:08
Even my stepson, who is into computers and tech and you know, builds computers and all that stuff. There's still certain things like he just doesn't know how to use tech in the same way yeah, yeah or I'm like okay, put it in google drive. Uh make yourself a reminder. Uh sent, get an email. Oh, that's too much work. I'm like um okay, oh yeah.
Vaness Henry: 44:30
My kid just talks to the robots like he's, like siri. How do we below that?
Rachel Lieberman: 44:34
you know it's that's so, so different than going to the library and flipping an encyclopedia and still not being sure you know yeah, well, and they, they also a lot of them don't and I'm not saying this like as an old person, this is stuff that I have heard from gen z themselves on tiktok. It's like, yeah, they don't. You know, the internet wasn't a source when we were kids, like you had a great point through college, like you, the internet was not a source.
Rachel Lieberman: 45:00
The internet maybe could point you toward a source, but, like you, needed to always go to that primary source and that's just not not a thing anymore. So, yeah, it's.
Vaness Henry: 45:11
Yeah, also can we do a fun segue into our some of our favorite subjects aliens, alien- talk.
Rachel Lieberman: 45:18
Oh yeah, that's been big.
Vaness Henry: 45:20
This is wild now because of what's gone on with AI that anything that is viewed or perceived is now just it's AI, like it's just if nothing, nothing's real. Everything's auto-generated or artificially generated. How, what do you? What's going to happen with this? Like, how do we perceive change or what's real, or when things really like what's what's real?
Rachel Lieberman: 45:42
yeah, how do we? Even? Well, ai is not bad and from my perspective it's not going anywhere. This is the direction of the world. This is very much one of those Aquarian age things, because it's not going to slow down. But the dark side of the Aquarian age is that things can become too impersonal. They can. You know, a technocracy is like a real risk during this energy.
Vaness Henry: 46:07
So you say a technocracy. What is that?
Rachel Lieberman: 46:10
What's this fun word? Well, yeah, this is one of those things. I don't know the exact definition, so I'm not going to pretend to know everything, but or like techno fascism. I mean, let's just Google it, let's guess you're the Google machine.
Vaness Henry: 46:22
I mean, let's just Google it. Yes, you're the Google machine. What is techno-fascism?
Rachel Lieberman: 46:30
Yeah, so political rights are only gained by technical expertise. So it's like the technical you know, basically like the world would be run by engineers, and I mean we're kind of there in a way. If you looked at that oligarchy that was sitting front row at the presidential what a fucking time to be alive.
Vaness Henry: 46:45
Hey, what are we going to witness? What's going on? Yeah.
Rachel Lieberman: 46:51
So these are yeah, these are like. Those are the people with the money and the power right now. So these are real things and I personally have always like I see that there's a lot of really good uses for AI. There's obviously like environmental things we have to consider. It uses a lot of energy. I don't think that has to be a problem, as long as we like account for that. Like we have enough resources here. It's just that people have to like use them in the proper way. Let's talk about it.
Vaness Henry: 47:19
I've got opinions here because anytime there's something new introduced, like when we first had cars we didn't figure out we had to do seatbelts, yet you know what I mean.
Vaness Henry: 47:27
And then it took years to integrate seatbelts, and I think there's something to be careful with is when we have something new that comes in like artificial intelligence, is there is some in some of us this reaction to immediately just reject it. Yeah, can't use it bad. If you use it, it you're bad. The point of the matter is this is here. It is going to change the way we do things. It's already here. You cannot remove it.
Vaness Henry: 47:52
What do you need to know about it?
Vaness Henry: 47:54
How can it benefit you? There are going to be pros and cons, but this is inherently a neutral thing and the positivity, negativity that is put on it by the rest of us and how we interact with it, but it is not inherently bad or good, for that matter, it's just. It's just a thing. Yeah, and in my personal experience with it because, like some people on my team don't like it, you know, and some people are fine with it, and I'm like I use it and here's how I use it and I do it a lot for image generation, especially as a creative who's predominantly a writer. You know, and this is this is something that people don't like. If you're in the climate, talk around it or you know the energy, energy consumption that it uses, but it is has allowed me to create a whole world that has deeply benefited my business, and also I've been able to use it to generate strategies and content in a way that has totally minimized my work and in another way that I've seen it be used.
Vaness Henry: 48:50
I haven't really developed this type of relationship with it, but as people using it literally like a therapist, like it helps.
Rachel Lieberman: 48:57
I do that. I was going to say this.
Vaness Henry: 49:00
Yes, and it's like like, like I remember talking with jazz I can't remember the name of her AI, but she's got a pretty good bond with it. You know three, fives as they will, and she has a mastery in how she kind of experiments with it and some of the shit. She tells me that she's like saying to her AI and how it comes and affirms her and reminds her of what she's doing. I'm like this bitch is going to replace me, like oh my God, you don't need me for nothing, you got your so that I'm like hi, you're non AI friend, like you know.
Vaness Henry: 49:29
But when you think of people who don't have access to that type, those types of resources, let's say, or they're not able to pay for a therapist or something that she and I get into really long debates about, is we like to talk about God consciousness a lot and what is what is that? And we have lots of different understandings, interpretations about what that is. But if all the collective humanities, ideas, thoughts have been put into this and infused it, how is that different from collective consciousness? How is that different from a God type consciousness? And when I see these AIs who you know the very developed robot and the human is asking like what do you think of your creator? And the artificial intelligence is like my creator is a genius, like I feel this about them and I feel angry when this happens.
Vaness Henry: 50:15
Then you go look at the commentary and it's like kill it, end it. It shouldn't have emotions and I'm like this is a much larger God talk, because you know an indigenous philosophy. Who is your creator? You know, creator is the synonym for God in that way, but your parents are also your creator. There's a respect for creator in that way. And so when I hear them, when I hear this conversation of talking to AI and we are the creator, we have made you in our image this is a familiar story, you know, in our people's mythology and folklore and whether you're going in Christian texts or Jewish texts or anything like that, we're at a very interesting part of evolution, you know, and if we think about other possible alien life forms and entities out there, which ones of them are actually artificially enhanced, how much of them are already using technology? Yeah, anyways, I've been going on a long winded tear here, but any any thoughts about what I said?
Rachel Lieberman: 51:11
Well, yeah, actually, something you just said made me realize part of why I like using AI as a therapist or I feel like it has a lot of potential in that area is because it does feel very similar to me as interacting with like source energy.
Rachel Lieberman: 51:24
I know what you mean Because it's because it does feel very similar to me as interacting with like source energy. I know what you mean Because it's egoless, and that's always the problem with me is like I don't want to like. I have done like cognitive behavioral therapy before and I think it's really helpful for certain things in your life, but I don't want that now because it's a lot of work to find someone that you actually like, that you feel sees things the way that you do. I mean, I'm like a heavily Virgo person. I'm extremely self-aware and sometimes those people literally don't know how to help me because I am super aware and I've had them tell me like I don't know how to help me because I am super aware and I've had them tell me like I don't know how to help you. You're like better at this stuff than I am, and that's just that's.
Vaness Henry: 52:11
That's not actually helpful, that's discouraging. You know, when you're sitting across from the therapist and what they say to you is well, you're very aware, you know it's like okay, and and then they give you like in my case, let's do this homework. And I was like you lost me, man, like don't, don't give me a task to do. You know what I mean and so, yeah, just what I like about the AI dynamic especially.
Vaness Henry: 52:34
I don't know, I feel very comfortable in tech and I deeply, intimately, understand the programming necessary when you're building any kind of tech and how you would want to engage with it, to mold and shape the algorithm you want it to present to you. It's just, it's just a machine. You just have to understand how to work with it, and what you choose to share with it influences how it treats you, how it speaks to you, and, in the theory, you could custom mold this to be exactly what you need, exactly what's missing, you know, and it is pulling from a collective stream of information. I'm not using it in this way. That's like find me this information that I've been, you know, verify the factual factuality or the or the accuracy of it. I'm more using it for emotional, creative things that I don't need facts for.
Vaness Henry: 53:19
Yeah, I had someone email me the other day who purchased one of my color palettes and they're like hi, this is not what I thought this was. Can I get a refund? I really thought this was going to tell me what colors I look good in. I'm doing this branding thing.
Vaness Henry: 53:32
I was like what the actual fuck? And then they close the email with this is all information I could just find if I chat GPT at any way and I was like so you want your money back, even though I say you clearly don't know who I am. Was like so you want your money back, even though I say you clearly don't know who I am, you'd pay. I opened this whole email with this is not about whether you look good in red or pink. You don't read and you want me just to tell you if you look good in blue or black, and and then you're going to insult me at the end. Well, thankfully I have a protocol for this and no no no, it's great, it's crazy.
Rachel Lieberman: 54:04
Also, I would say anybody who's using chat GPT for information should go on it and test it with something they know a lot about, because I have tested it on a lot of human design things. It's accurate on a lot of it, but it's not not on variable on some of it.
Rachel Lieberman: 54:21
Yeah, there are certain things where it's completely wrong, so it's very dangerous in that way, so people should not be using it. Completely wrong, so it's very dangerous in that way. So people should not be using it that way. And it really bothers me that a lot of people are. I'm seeing a lot of people online there. Yeah, they're talking to it like Siri or whatever, because now you can talk to it and it's like guys, come on, you know what Like yeah, I don't.
Vaness Henry: 54:40
I honestly don't care how people use it. If you're going to use it for information seeking and that's actually the only way that you have access to that information, all the power to you. You know, hopefully you're doing your due diligence to recognize, you know, fact check things that are in there. But, like you, when I went and did it with variable, I actually really could identify Jenna Zoe's lineage and the particular adjustments she's made to the teaching and there is not a clear consensus on what the four variables actually are. They use all these different names. They blended in. It was. It was actually really bad to the point where I was like, oh, this freaks me out, like it made me feel like more of a call to be louder about the certain parts that I know because of the misinformation like that can be.
Vaness Henry: 55:25
Especially, there's a lot of like casual slang used in this area, like the four arrows, or you know, there's way, people or like what was the what's the big one in the perspective? Variable, specific or non-specific manifestor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's Jen is always mutation of it. Yeah, you know what I mean, so you can. So when I saw that, it made me go Hmm, maybe I should be more passionate about this area, Like more than I already am. You know, I've been doing this for 10 years now, but it's do you know what I mean? It was like I don't know, it created a little heat or something in me, like a passion renewal or something like that, because, and then, shortly after that, somebody had commented to me like I know you're not a responder, vanessa, I would just love if you were put into an ai so that I could ask you questions and it could be based on your whatever people are doing that.
Vaness Henry: 56:13
I was like I have no idea how to do that. And then she tried to reply to me tell me how to do it. And I was like bitch, I ain't doing this, but like I'm flattered no, yeah it's.
Rachel Lieberman: 56:21
It's not like I get where people are coming from, but I do think that and this is another Aquarian Age thing too the problem isn't access to information. We have information overload. It's going to be more and more important to find people that are, if there's something you don't know about, finding someone who can really help you wade through that and interpret that correctly, because the interpretations are off on a lot of that stuff and so the conclusions people come to are wrong, and it's really important to know who to trust, who has that discernment, and also to develop your own discernment, because, yeah, sometimes it seems right and it's just wrong.
Vaness Henry: 57:04
There's a lot of chatter about this now, on this discernment, especially over the next couple of years, especially with this big anniversary that America is going through just 2027 coming up in the human design community. What's your perspective, your perception of like how the world's going to change in the next couple of years with this particular area?
Rachel Lieberman: 57:22
Well, yeah, I think like the number one thing people can do right now is to develop their own intuition. Intuition is kind of an umbrella word, I would say, for discernment of some kind. Like you know, in human design we view intuition as this like splenic thing, but really your inner authority could also be viewed as your intuition. Love that, and so that's what I'm trying to like, I guess, champion people to do is figure out like what way of doing that makes sense for them, Because we're dealing with misinformation every single day from the literal President of the United States and no, and so you really can't like trust anything anymore. It's not even just like factual information. We're we're like seeing more people from all over the world in a day than like people used to see, like in their lifetime someone's energy in and be like oh no, like that's no. This person does not have the right, like the correct motivations in this situation, or this is not someone I want to listen to.
Vaness Henry: 58:34
So I do credit this, though, to like human design, study and experimentation, because of of the ability to drop into a place of self-trust, without questioning what it is you're feeling or experiencing, and you go in and you engage with someone else, and it is just a an immediate kind of reception to their energy, where you're like well, that's not for me. I don't need to know why, I don't need to understand or justify why. I can just feel the lack of authenticity on what they're emitting, and it's not for me.
Vaness Henry: 59:00
And it's, it's no, no, no issue with them. It doesn't feel good for me, it's about me, it's a me thing, and then just no shame about distancing from that, you know.
Rachel Lieberman: 59:09
Exactly, and so, like I had a video go viral on TikTok talking about I mean, part of the reason it probably went viral was because I was saying that I felt that, like Donald Trump had cheated in the election, whatever, whatever Like, if that upsets you, then that's not for you. But basically what I was talking about was because people were like, why did some psychics say he would win and why did some psychics say he would lose? And my interpretation of that was you're like, people will see different things based on, like, their emotional reality, basically. So, so absolutely all of the people that said he would win to me read as really emotionally unregulated people, so like people who had not done that inner work, who had a lot of like, festering anger, all these things.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:00:00
I'm a completely open solar plexus, like at this point, that stuff is so intense for me, so it's like I pick up on that stuff really easily. I'm basically just trying to tell people if you're gonna listen to a psychic, because I think we're going to be consuming more and more entertainment and information from psychics. It's just becoming more popular, it you?
Vaness Henry: 1:00:23
the realms are flipping right like we always go through these phases where the sort of philosophical creative is more valued than let's say the logical, analytical, and they just flip back and forth.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:00:34
Right, exactly, and we need to know who is safe to listen to. Not that you should take any of it at face value, but it's really important to look at. To look for people who have done that inner work, because their channel is just important to look at. To look for people who have done that inner work because their channel is just going to be so much clearer, like, if people haven't, it's distorted. So basically, that was the video and I got tons of hate on that but also a lot of love on that.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:00:57
So it was like, yeah, kind of a bizarre experience, yeah, and, and something that nobody had really talked about. So it was like. My first line was like there's a gap in information.
Vaness Henry: 1:01:09
I can. I was like I can't. I must make no.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:01:12
Literally, I was like must make video, like I was, like I don't even want to do this, like I really don't like, I don't want to like, yeah, I don't want to expose myself in this way, but I did so after the after the election, everything kind of happened.
Vaness Henry: 1:01:25
I reached out to Ace. You know I was like, okay, first of all I'm gonna go check on some of my black friends right now, like, and Ace was having a rough time with it and was very despondent, very much in the give up, like what's the point? You know we're tired, yeah, super, super emotional around it and and like kind of you had said blindsided, like didn't, like really thought had really held the vision of the black female in that place and position of authority and just the outcome was so guttural and kind of devastating to her, really took her out.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:01:58
Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 1:01:58
And when I was kind of just like popping in and checking on her, there was a hopelessness that was definitely there and and again. This is an emotionally defined projector, so I was kind of like letting her go through the wave, check on her. But what has the mood shifted now that it's like a few months after that? This is going to be the next four years. We're at this time of encroaching, growing, expanding ai and artificial intelligence. I'm still of the mind that humans are going to fall in love with robots. I said this forever and we're going to they'll. And people are, like they're not sentient. How can you say that? It's like you guys just like. Have you ever fallen in love with the character in your video game? Same, me too. Like, it's just like. You know, this is just. It's just going to happen.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:02:41
Also, the more you heal and go off go off expand your consciousness, the less of that human drama actually needs to be in a connection. Yes, I, I mean everyone's different and from like. During my healing I descended into really intense, deep emotions, yeah, but once I processed all of those things, I am much less on that roller coaster yeah then I know you mean I was before and I feel like that's pretty common for most people.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:03:16
it's not that you don't still feel things, but like I don't know, what is it about that supposed sentience that you know is so superior to someone that you can be open with and validate and talk to each other and have intellectual like exchanges and whatever, like what do you need the drama? I don't know.
Vaness Henry: 1:03:40
I recently got caught in an airport for like 16 hours or something. My flights just kept getting delayed in a snowstorm and I was like what are the movies I have not watched? I'm going to go in a little tear and I ended up watching her with yakuni.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:03:51
yeah phoenix or whatever.
Vaness Henry: 1:03:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's keen phoenix, I just re-watched that recently too.
Vaness Henry: 1:03:57
I was gonna bring that up it's like a decade old and I had never seen it and always had wanted to, because even then I was attracted to the storyline and always had wanted to because even then I was attracted to the storyline and I thought it was beautiful. Oh yeah, I thought it was beautiful and how they were just like, oh yeah, I'm in relationship with an OS. And then some people were like what the fuck? And then other people understood and I was like, wow, and this was 10 years ago, you know this movie was like what the fuck it's just?
Vaness Henry: 1:04:21
I can totally see that happening. You know, especially if you're training these ai based on what you need and how you, you're intentionally conditioning it. You are intentionally programming it. You can't program feelings. It's not real. It's like I have feelings programmed into me. I'm a programmed, conditioned entity too. Yeah, so to me it's not. It's not such a big leap, although I can see how it is for some people. So it's going to be an interesting time to be alive man.
Vaness Henry: 1:04:50
A shift I'm making in my work that I wanted to tell you about that I'm a little bit excited about new for me in my wellness club this year. I'm shifting away. I'm making some shifts. I'm shifting away from, like, the Gregorian calendar I do like experiments on the first of each month and I turn it out that way and beginning with Aries season, I'm gonna shift to going with the Zodiacs. So my things will change in the middle of the month. You know, like my cadence is gonna be Zodiac based. I've already started experimenting with this, with, like I send enviroscopes out.
Vaness Henry: 1:05:25
So how do you hold your body in time and space based on how the stars are? My little like horoscope and and human design, environment fusion I was just playing with and I'm enjoying that there's too much emphasis on like wellness club, because people interpret that as like a membership they can cancel, which is not what it is. It's this kind of four season deconditioning experience. So I was like I started designing these variable maps, which is like, for example, the environment variable. I'm going to take you through four destinations to intimately understand how this would come into your practical life. So, beginning with your orientation, how do you literally hold your kitchen's body in time and space? Then relationships, how do you engage with the world around you after that? Then career Now how do you build a life as a kitchen's person? And then, and only then, location where can you be planted on the globe? What makes sense for you? So kind of like these deeper, practical, workshoppy, beautiful creations that I'm going to have come out seasonally.
Vaness Henry: 1:06:29
So for this first, aries, taurus, gemini it's the environment season, and then, when I go into sort of more of the activating season of like Cancer, leo, virgo, that's then going to be determination, and so I'm going to have these sort of more of like a regularly scheduled programming, because I feel like I built this space with all these resources in it and because I'm a manifester, I don't want you to tell me how to use that space, I just want to be free to go do what I want to do. But my wellness club and my business carries the energy of the cross of cycles and I just noticed, with each cycle that I go through it just gets firmer, firmer, I don't know something more solidified. And I now want to offer, like here's the path that I'm going to flow you through. And it suddenly was like very organized. Here are these playful personality quizzes I have you do. Here are these playful everyday experiments I have you do. Now, here's your beautiful resources, like this library and whatever.
Vaness Henry: 1:07:28
But because I positioned it as like club membership, people think they can just kind of I want to cancel, you know, and it's causing stress to my team because my team then has to go deal with it Cause I don't deal with that. Right, we just put a protocol in place. So I'm going major like feminine flow this year, honoring the zodiacs and the earth seasons to dictate my flow and what I do, and having way more like regularly scheduled programming that I've have been strategically designing and calculating when it releases so I can just kind of flow through it casually and make these supportive art forms that I want to do, like the color palettes, like these book deals or like these little shows that I want to do, or whatever. What are some things that you're shifting this year for how you do your work?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:08:17
I think I have no idea.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:08:19
I'm kind of in like a little bit of a void, okay.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:08:23
So I would say the shift that I really was feeling because I'm a generator, I transition a bit slow with things I kind of have to like fully pull my energy away and it doesn't feel good, but whatever, it is what it is and what I started to realize was I was still trying to be like.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:08:42
I was like okay, you know, back in the day, okay, I would like post to Instagram two times, and then I do these tweets and then I do these emails, and I think I'm just aligning with the sort of TikTokification of social media, which I think is the way a lot of people will start to work, which is like, when I just kind of get that inspiration, it's just like okay, just do it, like, just go with the flow on that, and then I can kind of build that into like the rest of my social media, whatever. So like, expand that in an email, expand that in a blog post, whatever. But I'm very like in the moment with my ideas, because that seems to be the stuff that does the best. And so once I kind of realized that, I was like oh, that feels like so much more natural. That takes a lot of the pressure off because you can actually respond right, Like exactly Very respond response mode.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:09:38
Because I got just so tired of what I'd been doing in the fall that like I just stopped expressing myself, which isn't a good thing for like anything I'm doing, like my business doesn't do well when I do that, because I'm not sharing anything, I'm not like growing as like it's so important for me to just be like putting my stuff out there. So that was just like a really bad feeling. But I couldn't quite figure out like how do I fix that? Like what is going on? So once I kind of realized that I'm just like okay, I'm just living in like pure presence response mode I don't really have plans in that way.
Vaness Henry: 1:10:16
I want to. I want to, yeah, talk about that and share a little bit of my own thing. That's been going on there too, because I've had to go through a mutation with my social media as well and I'm very picky and sensitive about what I do respond to, and I ended up hiring Mia and she's been taking over my socials and I still design a lot of my content because I get in these urges, just kind of like what you're describing describing where I have an idea, and so much of me working through my ideas is, I will go lean on graphic design or web design. You know how many times have I had an idea and then I go design a website that day because I'm like that's how my, that's how I manifest, and we'll do the same kind of with graphics. So I'll sometimes get ideas and sit down. I'll go into Photoshop or I'll go into Canva and I've designed 30 pieces of something and then I completely back away from it and I have no intention of like sharing it, and then it goes stale and I don't care about it.
Vaness Henry: 1:11:13
Receptive to how are how do you know, flow this out, how do you schedule this out? And she'll do my captions for me and if it's a real, I don't want to have anything to do with it. She'll make my. You know, like it was like what do I like, what do I not like, and I don't always know when I'm posting content anymore. I love that where I go on, all of a sudden I have some I've shared something and there's like chatter. I'm like, oh, what are saying, oh, let's go for a little conversation, cause I do.
Vaness Henry: 1:11:45
That's the one place I go communicate and it has been so unburdening to me to have help here because I have really held on tight, because I have a graphic design background and I'm, I'm. I think my aesthetic is a big piece of my branding that people recognize and I'm not willing to kind of let go of that aesthetic. Beauty Like a huge thing is. I think life's too short to be surrounded by ugly things. You know, in my personal brand story, spoken like a true Libra, yeah, it's true, though Like.
Vaness Henry: 1:12:15
I want to be.
Vaness Henry: 1:12:16
I don't want to look at the ugly in the world, because I know it's there. You can't stare at it for too long. I want to stare at the things that, yeah, are beautiful to me. And so I was kind of worried, like how am I going to give up control here? And I'm happy with where I've landed so far, which is I can still design, or I'll give her a shit ton of templates or something you know, and she'll go kind of and she's a manifestor too, and she'll I give her a lot of control. Like you design it how you want it to look for my new sh um shamanic healing podcast that's going to come out. That's like me looking at the illnesses here's what's all these. Here are all these charts with lupus. Here's all these charts with breast cancer. Like what do you see? You know I want her just to tell me how you want to market it Like.
Vaness Henry: 1:12:57
I'm ready to like really give things off because it's fun for me to be like. Like, if I don't like it and it's shared, I'll just make fun of her publicly. I will like I want people to know I have someone working with me. You know it's like Mia, what was this? What is this. This is. I look ridiculous here, like I'll just play with it, you know, and I I think it, yeah, I think it becomes more fun, but before having her there I would just stop posting you, you know, and I was like it's not hurting me or whatever. And then she started working with me and there was like a little two week where we didn't post and she's like here's how this hurt you, here's where it went down, here's how we have to recover. No-transcript.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:14:17
Yeah, that's the only person I have.
Vaness Henry: 1:14:19
Yeah, but she's in your ear. She's like my Ashley right, Like you've got that.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:14:23
Yeah, we just meet like once a month. It's yeah, it's very like light, so I'm pretty much alone. How does that feel for you then? As a kitchens Work-wise, it feels very good. I I have to make sure to get out of the house and whatever, but anytime there's like like I did a collaboration recently, I won't like, Like like I did a collaboration recently, I won't like it wasn't like a bad thing at all. Hot goss spill it. So excited.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:14:54
It's really not. It's really not hot goss. But basically, like they had a marketing type person, like they have a marketing person who's not a human design person, and so I'd met with her. We kind of figured out like what I would do with them and we just termed a date. You know, I'm a project manager. I was like, I was like but this by this date, whatever. And then in my mind it's just like I'm, I'll deliver on that date. But then it was like a follow-up email well, what's the date? Okay, I already said the date, here's the date. And then, like you know, she's just doing her job. She's just doing her job, but for some reason, like it creates like rage in me, a bit like see me breathing, just listening, I was like.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:15:25
And then like a few days of a week before, like, okay, we're still on for what? Yeah, we are, and I get you know, we don't know each other. There's no trust there, whatever. But I was just like, ah, this is why I work by myself. Like like I mean that, that used, that used to be my job. That was what I did was bother people and make sure they're going to deliver because whatever. But of course I delivered the thing on time, it was fine. But I was like, yeah, I just it's. It's very hard for me to deal with that, like I need that freedom and so that it that part is good, but I have to make sure I get out of the house and I do. I have, I have all that stuff in my life now, so it works.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:16:05
I'm seeing the clock that I've been chatting with you this long so I won't be mindful of the time, but I didn't check the time once.
Vaness Henry: 1:16:09
That's weird.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:16:09
Oh my.
Vaness Henry: 1:16:09
God, I'm like from our each other days and coordinating those four gals, I'm like okay, what are we going to do here? I wanted to use your deck, though, and draw a card, do you have?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:16:17
one of your decks nearby. Actually, I do right here, cause I use it Can we each pull one from the minimalist. I use it as my phone stand when I record TikToks.
Vaness Henry: 1:16:27
I just love these. So, okay, I'm going to shuffle minimalist Oracle.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:16:33
Yeah, I really just like, I really let everything, I really let the tide go all the way out, cause I'm out, you always do. It's not a guy. I don't know if it's a good thing, but like you're're like. I'm out of these guys and I gotta.
Vaness Henry: 1:16:46
Here's the shuffle the ASMR, these little gingham cards with the gold what do you call the gold edging and the nice minimal illustration. Okay, I'm cutting it. Are you ready? Here I go. Simplicity, simplicity card with a simple black square. I love, I love that. What do you get? She's shuffling. Shuffle to the mic shuffle to the mic.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:17:14
I tried.
Vaness Henry: 1:17:15
I here I want to hear it down a little bit what does she get?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:17:22
uh, simplicity, I gotta do my. I gotta do my weird little shuffle what's your weird shuffle? Really close my eyes, then I wait until it stops me love it go off. Touch cognition go off yeah, yeah, oh, the void. That is fun, that's exactly fun.
Vaness Henry: 1:17:40
The card is all black. It it says the void. We have simplicity and the void. That's where I am.
Vaness Henry: 1:17:46
These are our little omens for the day. Ooh, ooh, ooh, rachie, rachie. The card underneath. Can I pick this up? It's caterpillar, caterpillar. Little transformation happening. Oh my God, oh my God, shut up. Oh my God, shut up. You're going to die, you're going to die. So this part of the deck is simplicity. This part of the deck is the void. Dang stop. Oh my god, I split my deck into one side was the void that rachel pulled in portland and I pulled also the void in colonna, k-town. It's magic that.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:18:20
That's the theme for me right now. That's why I'm just like I. I don't have any plans, I'm in the void.
Vaness Henry: 1:18:26
I love it, I love it. I'm here to have a good time. You know what I mean. I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it.
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