No. 21 - World-building as a Modern Healing Modality with Ari Felix
I think my friend Ari Felix has SUCH a beautiful interior. She’s coloured with Light and Innocence — two evolved Sixth Colours — and moves around the Playing Field of Life as a 1/3 Emotional MG. In my latest InSight, we discuss our perspectives on consciousness, reality, and the art of world-building as a healing modality.
Ari uses the Planets and Celestial Bodies as ancestors with wise teachings that can anchor us in reality creation and self-expansion. She has a beautiful way of showing how the planets can connect us to something more ancient than we are, especially if we did not possess a strong connection to a family root system, ancestors, or true history.
Tune in to Ari’s colourful depths with me as we breakdown the importance of imagination, trust, and spiritual sovereignty when it comes to shaping our reality.
Here's my friend's beautiful Colour Palette:
ARI FELIX
Design Type: 1/3 EMO-MG
Colour Palette: InDirect / Kitchens / Wanting / Innocence
Here's a Highlight of her InSights:
The world-building connection to science fiction and fantasy
How-to consider the celestial bodies as ancestors
Ways to explore Reality Creation with Astrology
Writing Horoscopes and Enviroscopes for navigating
Exploring the fields of Identity, Queerness, and Fluid Relationships
Exploring Earth as a Teacher of Sexuality, Aliveness and Embodiment
Healing the deepest wounds of the mind
Ari acting as a perfect example in real time — as an indirect innocent in the kitchen
Find Ari's work at:
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Ari's Workshops
Ari's World-Building Teachings
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Vaness Henry: 0:03
It's Vaness Henry, you're listening to insights, my private podcast exclusively for community members like you. Here's my latest insight. I've asked my friend, Ari Felix to come and join me for an insight today. Ari has an incredibly beautiful design to me. She is a 1/3 emotional manifesting generator. Totally open ego. Totally open G center. Indirect innocence — I love this shit, indirect innocence. Also, a kitchen's person with wanting view if we're looking at Ari's colour palette. Welcome to the show, Ari.
Ariana Felix: 0:45
Thank you so much. I'm so excited, I'm feeling great.
Vaness Henry: 0:49
Actually, you look fun, cute, flirty. Thank you. Warm weather wherever you are. It's not where I am, so I'm loving the difference between us.
Ariana Felix: 0:59
The last vestiges of summer. I'm holding on to with my not cold hands. Even though we're in the cold season, but yeah, where you are still warm right now.
Vaness Henry: 1:08
I asked you to come have a dialogue with me because I love your work specifically in world building and I first heard this language as like a sci-fi, fantasy writer where you know if you're reading books in this genre. I've had a resurgence with this. I've started writing again. I don't know what's going on with me Getting back into the fiction writing world.
Vaness Henry: 1:30
I haven't published anything since the 2010s and I have found myself thinking of you and your work a lot, while I'm kind of re-immersing in that experience and the language of world building meaning something different to me now because in the era of journalism and writing in about fantasy or sci-fi, you're creating a reality that has other rules and you want the reader to get swept up in that reality. You want the individual to get swept up in that reality and, without knowing, this became a huge basis of my own work, the way I was groomed and conditioned in my writing career journalism, world building, creative fiction and then you kind of come over into more of an astrology world and you're using this language again and I thought such a creative way and you work a lot. You'll correct me if I'm wrong or out of line anywhere, but you work a lot with the planets as muses. Really, can you tell me a?
Ariana Felix: 2:28
little bit about that. Yeah, thank you for those acknowledgements. I I don't think people often ask me about the connection between sci-fi fantasy, world building, because a lot of people don't know about it. You know, I would love to hear it, and so I did, in certain like pieces that I've written on my sub stack I have borrowed, like how they teach the structure of world building to like sci-fi fantasy writers as like frameworks for reality creation because, like you're saying, it's the exact same thing. Yep, yeah. So I just like saw the word one day and I was just like, oh, I like that, you know, like, yes, started using it and then, yeah, and then everything just kind of developed from there and then the planets come in. So I'm primarily an astrologer in terms of, like, what my role and function is. You know, pause, pause pause.
Vaness Henry: 3:13
Open g, open heart. Okay, I you identify as astrologers like the safest way to like explain what you do. Because like I'll go into a bank and I'll be trying, I was like I'll default to I'm a journalist or I'm a producer. I'm not going to be like hi, I'm a shamanic practitioner Like they're like you know what I mean. Astrologer might be more received, but I find as undefined G that can be a hard thing to define in myself and sometimes limiting you know. So what's your relationship with being an astrologer?
Ariana Felix: 3:40
Yeah, I definitely, definitely. When I'm, when people ask me what I do or when I'm different settings, I definitely switch it up. I often say I'm a writer like what do you write about?
Ariana Felix: 3:47
and I'm like philosophy, psychology, metaphysics, love okay, love, I love that they continue to seem interested, then I'll be like, yeah, and then I use astrology as a modality. You know, I I'm very kind of pragmatic when it comes to term astrologer, I think at this point. I've been doing it for so long, so I'm going on 16 years now and so I'm just like, okay, you know, because I am so blessed to be able to create my platform in whatever way I want, I'm like I know people at this point under like have a they understand my language yeah and so, and because I do talk about the planet so much so it could be um and so, in a kind of like forward-facing way, it's like my storefront.
Ariana Felix: 4:27
That's how I feel about it. Okay, you know, I don't feel like overly attached, I don't feel like it sums up what I do or who I am or anything like that. But I did wrestle with it. I definitely gone through my wrestling with it um, phases where I was just like, do you want to use that? Do you want to do something else? I'm sure to use something else. I'm sure I've used something else. I'm sure I've changed it a million times. You know Totally. But now I'm just like, okay, writer and astrologer is like good enough, and then it was good. It's kind of, yeah, it goes out from there. And then it's also.
Ariana Felix: 4:54
There's a part of me that has such a deep respect for the craft you know and it's not.
Ariana Felix: 5:00
I don't mind in any way being calling myself an astrologer, being called that after I went through my own transformation of not allowing myself to perceive it as a limitation. I don't feel limited by it like I might have once, because I have the experience of like using it in so many different ways and really allowing myself to be conceptual and speculative and creative with it. And so that's part of where world building came from was just like I want to. My relationship with the planetary ancestors is very psychedelic, you know. It's very about like consciousness expanding and and it's also very pragmatic. And so that's world building right, it's like this venn diagram between psychedelic and the imaginal, and the pragmatic and the practical. And so, yeah, I think I don't normally read like say that I look at the planets as muses, but I think that's a good way to put it because I do very much just bounce off of them, you know Well you said, world building basically is looking at your relationship with planetary ancestors.
Vaness Henry: 6:15
I love that. I love that. Can't express how much I love that use is because I find myself in a, in a. You're an expander for me when I view and kind of project upon you in that way. When you look at the planetary ancestors and this concept of world building and developing your relationship with each of these planets and what they represent and your connection to them and how you can understand yourself and create your own reality, it sounds like to me I'm just using a different word a muse to understand and perceive through For me.
Vaness Henry: 6:52
I have such an environment component to my work with feng shui and shamanism, the inner world with the environments and variable, and instead of focusing on Hmm, like making my work about teaching people variable, that makes sense, or teaching people shamanic healing or T. You know, I have reentered this place where the environments are my muses. So caves is my muse, markets is my muse and the type of art I've been creating from that place has really started to shift as soon as I changed my relationship and perceived these things as muses, which to me really amused is a is a constant inspiration source that I can like plug into and think about in different ways. So when I'm looking over at you and I don't want to miss like, mix up the language cause, I want to respect the language you use of planetary ancestors. If I'm wanting to connect in that way and perceive the solar system and every, all the celestial bodies in there through this lens of connection and this ancestral relationship, how do I go about doing that? What's my approach?
Ariana Felix: 8:01
So the way that I conceptualize the planets as ancestors is very much based in oh, some might consider to reach. But I'm like, okay, these, this solar system, has been in communication with this planet for centuries. That's why we have the system of astrology, right, like right, people are always talking about like extraterrestrial contact and whether it's happened or not, and I'm like, well, we've been like communicating with these planets somehow. I mean, like this means that and this signified that and this happened. And then you know, like making this connection between the mirror of the solar system and this planet. So I, I see this planet as an ancestor, ancestor just meaning entity that comes before you.
Ariana Felix: 8:41
And so, looking at the planet, the other planets in the solar system, as entities, as like sentient beings, as wise, playful elders who have been watching and teaching us for so long, like obviously that's premised on a reality, where reality is benevolent, right, like that's.
Ariana Felix: 9:00
And that's also kind of my nudge is kind of like what if the whole solar system loved you and this was like teaching you and showing you and facilitating your wisdom, and so getting the planets into kind of more embodied sense of people and sentience, and like what, if you do look at them, as you know, you're like weird aunts and uncles or grandmas and grandpas are great, great, great, great grandparents, like part of the lineage of being alive on the planet.
Ariana Felix: 9:28
And I think for me that also came out partly as a response to like ecological grief and cultural despair and ancestral severance that people experience where they were, like I was doing a lot of ancestral work in a shamanic sense, and constantly having the conversation with people about, well, I don't know my ancestors, I don't know many of my ancestors, I don't know their names and I can't go so far back and I can't track this or that, and I'm like okay, here's a solution.
Ariana Felix: 9:55
The, the entire planet and all the planets that surround this one are your ancestors. And, like, the ancestral communication and communication with the planets in my experience works the same way, because you're communicating something that's invisible, you're receiving a transmission right and you're transmitting in return, and so it just kind of opens the world of ancestral connection up into something that's beyond any religion, beyond any spiritual dogma, beyond any school of thought, like you know, aside from the school of astrology, um, and just allows everyone to be like, okay, if I don't know my ancestors, then these, you know, seven or ten planets are my ancestors and what do they have to say and what do they have to teach about being? Are they showing me? What do they represent?
Vaness Henry: 10:40
yeah, just about being alive. I love to take in any kind of like little shows on netflix or anything that are like adventuring through past times ancient apocalypse, ancient alien, all these types of things and, um, something that always strikes me is when we go, we go back before there's some poetry in here. Like humanity represents this light, inner light, and when you zoom out from our planet you see our light. You see it illuminated in the darkness and there's something very peculiar there, you know, and that light pollution also blocks us from viewing the night sky in certain ways. And if we go back in time enough, when we don't have so much of this light pollution, the entertainment in the evenings at sundown is the fucking sky. You can see all the way the planets are moving, the stars are moving, you can do math, you can plot these things, and we look back at some of the things our ancestors did.
Vaness Henry: 11:34
I was just watching something. What's it called? Is it ancient apocalypse? I think so.
Vaness Henry: 11:38
This guy who's like an investigative journalist, essentially, and he's following these kind of monuments in our, on our planet that go back from beyond the ice age, but we don't think humans have been alive since then, and so his whole thing is. We have a common ancestor and they're a highly evolved person who came and taught us these things that we needed, but we have forgotten them or we have, you know. So the conversation is this alien or is this you know? It just makes me think about the relationship our ancestors on earth had with erecting monuments, literally to just observe the sky, track the sky, understand the sky. They had some inherent connection to it.
Vaness Henry: 12:17
Now, in my modern world, I find astrology to be one of the essential languages that somebody who is on a healing journey, you know, is going to want to learn and teach themselves so that they can orient themselves in the universe you know, and understanding where your planetary ancestors are just helps you understand how you're feeling on earth. I even think about, you know, the neutrino stream, and neutrino translates to little neutral one, and it's these tiny little particles, right, that are being emitted from celestial bodies and they're imprinting and impacting us. We're kind of feeling them all the time. So, as the luminaries in the sky, planets are moving around, they're sending different type of neutrino energy and we're being impacted and we feel it. It'd be very cool to understand that that's going on, like to look out and be able to read and navigate and map the sky? It seems like it would be. I can see why that was. We had cultures who are obsessed with doing that Like we're still obsessed with doing that.
Vaness Henry: 13:19
We're still obsessed with doing that. As I'm going on this little planetary ramble, I wanted to know if there and I'm sure this changes but if there was a particular planetary ancestor that you feel more of a connection with or you're mentored by, more you're tutelage a certain planet that and I know this changes with your work cause. You will take us to spotlight different planets, but I was just wondering as a whole if there is a planetary ancestor that you perhaps put on a different type of pedestal.
Ariana Felix: 13:51
I love that question, as the sun is like starting to beam in here. Yeah, yeah, for me it's the sun. For me, like all my work comes down to the sun, whether it's explicit or not my, my public work and service to others, but also my personal work within myself, and I've kind of like played around with that into a framework as well, which is like meet your planetary ancestor, which is connecting you to the planet that rules your chart. So all the rising signs you know every sign has a planet that's in charge of it. So your rising sign is you and the planet that is in charge of your rising sign, that rules your rising sign, is you. It's like the planetary ancestor. You're here to apprentice most deeply.
Vaness Henry: 14:36
I love the word apprentice Okay. So I'm going to echo this back to make sure we all got it so, and by we I mean me. I'm slow dinosaur learner, okay, okay. I'm going into your world, the rising sign is me. I'm being apprenticed by the governing body of it, which would be, in my case, as a Leo, the sun. So, as a Leo, rising Leo, ruled by the sun, the sun, I'm being a prep, I'm an apprentice to the sun. Is that fair? Am I getting that?
Ariana Felix: 15:05
correct, so that which as apprentice.
Vaness Henry: 15:07
I'm learning. You're the teacher. What are you going to teach me?
Ariana Felix: 15:10
Cool, yeah, yeah. And so for me it's the sun, like, if you look closely enough, like all my work is about empowerment, which can sound really reductive, right, but that's really what it comes down to. It's like empowered to build your own world. What's more solar than that right To have a vision and enact it? I love that, even like being the dream mommy is. I know people have a very heavy lunar connotation with dreaming because it's also associated with sleep, but one of the ancient significations of the sun was actually dreaming. It's vision and prophecy, but dreaming as in, like while you're awake, dreaming, reality Daydreaming of course.
Ariana Felix: 15:52
Yeah, like just kind of like envisioning a reality in your imaginal realm and then projecting, like illuminating, emanating that outwards into physical reality, which is more lunar and receptive and will mirror that and reflect that. And so being the dream mommy is like about embodying my own solar power and being connected to my own solar power and like hopefully igniting the solar power in others. Right, and so the sun is. Yeah, the sun is like my, my beloved, you know, like, um, I used to get up when I was a kid to do devotionals at sunrise, like, which is just, you know, awesome, like very indirect light yeah fed by the changing illumination sunrise sunset, so you would get up and have a basically a holy moment at the rise or set.
Vaness Henry: 16:46
Yeah, that's so. That was probably a highly highly nourishing for you.
Ariana Felix: 16:50
Yeah, I'm not as um adapt as a set at the sunrise anymore, but sunset is still where it's at.
Vaness Henry: 16:58
I think I think a lot of indirects think that they have to be connected to the sunset because it's like later in the day, I don't know there is, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. You know, I've known a lot of indirects who are early risers. It's like how could you be an early riser? I'm supposed to be indirect. It's like that's when you're bought, like it's just about the changing of the illumination that you're sensitive to. And indirect isn't necessarily. Someone who eats darkness. You know, you're still. You eat light, directly or indirectly. You're still light eater, you know. But how am I ingesting this? And what illuminates me, what inspires me? Because you're in the astrology community which can be a. It's a, it's a big community and an ancient one, and so there's so many different styles, so many different sex. How do you find where you hang out and fit? How do you find your astrology core?
Ariana Felix: 17:52
I don't know. I feel like I've, you know, as a third liner, very much like built and burnt down many kitchens. I feel kind of in between kitchens right now when it comes to astrology, which is.
Vaness Henry: 18:07
So we're shoring then.
Ariana Felix: 18:09
Yeah, and I find we're in the shore. Okay, yeah, and I find that the heart of my I feel like, whether they speak, astrology or not, they understand me the best out of like the different modalities and different communities that I technically a part of, but I rarely ever really felt like I had an astrology core. I definitely have friends who are also astrologers and who share similar values and practice in a like relational way, where they're also, you know, they would call it animistic or relational yeah, and I appreciate that, but I don't know.
Ariana Felix: 19:01
I I have. I also feel like, when it comes to astrology specifically, I think out of all the different like systems and skill sets that I use, I'm the most protective of like what I'm doing with the planets and like what I'm seeing with the planets and letting that come through me, because too many other people ideas about you know the astrology of the moment or this planet or that, and there's like a dryness or like a over mundanity or over emphasis on the like limitations of the human experience that I find sometimes in the astrology community and so, yeah, I don't think I've ever had a core Like and I was a very like solo astrologer for a long time. I didn't even know any other astrologers that weren't online.
Vaness Henry: 19:54
I get that you're a 1-3. And so there's that aspect of that, you know, personal journey, and also you identified as an astrologer and then are a kitchens person, and so the craft itself is so important, as is the ones who are connected to it, and it makes me wonder about, then, the other communities in your life, you know, and then where you get that core feeling of your kitchen's feeling, you know. So it really matters. The communities, the people, the craft I plug into have to have the right fucking vibe, and that vibe can change. So all of a sudden we're vibing and then we're not, and then the bond is going to break, you know, or?
Vaness Henry: 20:30
the kitchen heated up too much or it. You know, when I'm thinking about like important relationships in the kitchen's person's life, I would think of, then the partner I would think of like the collaborator, I would think of the teacher, like who are the characters in their life and in their kitchen and do and for you, do they have, you know, the right vibe when we're looking at this from like a planetary perspective and like a world building perspective. If I'm wanting to connect with the planets, to greater connect with myself, and I needed a map to understand them, to understand myself, and I'm looking at the open G and your experiences, trial and erroring through the kitchen myself, and I'm looking at the open G and your experiences, trial and error through the kitchen.
Vaness Henry: 21:19
Is there a certain way through the solar system, through my ancestors, that I would want to go to for a path of understanding? Like I know we can go Mercury, venus, earth, mars, jupiter, saturn, uranus, neptune, pluto, like I get it, but each planet represents different things, you know, and different lessons, like and like Saturn is a huge one and, and you know some, there's jokes in the astrology communities, human design communities, like if you are under 28, come back later, you know, like we'll talk to you later, which used to annoy me as a young 20 something. And then now I'm older and I'm like oh, you know what I mean. But if I was journeying through the planets and I was going based on their teachings and not just like in sequential order, is there a way you would recommend me to explore?
Ariana Felix: 22:01
Yeah, I, this is one of my favorite things to teach and write about, which is the order of the heavenly spheres, which is going like starting with the planet that's closest to the earth, so the moon, and like working out to Saturn. So that's the moon, mercury, venus, the sun, mars, jupiter, saturn, and so I've kind of like extrapolated that into world building frameworks, so like starting with the moon, as what is your dream reality? What are you? What dream reality are you longing to create? What are those fundamental needs and desires? You know that deep lunar subconscious space that we're always talking about in the kind of like reality, creation, manifestation. You know, sphere community.
Vaness Henry: 22:42
Yeah, okay, hold on. Maybe maybe that's your kitchen, maybe, maybe, maybe focusing on the tool, like astrology or human design, is not like. You know, that's the tool, not the craft. Maybe the craft is reality creation.
Vaness Henry: 22:57
I do feel like there was a time where I noticed that you were even into, I don't know when P's work P the fairy timeline jumping was like when P first started introducing this and then teaching people. This was very simplistic, very effective, and it works with world-building reality creation. You know it's to me a manifestation and it works with world building reality creation. You know it's to me a manifestation. It's a similar kind of concept, but it was definitely its own medium.
Vaness Henry: 23:22
I don't know what the word is that I want to use. You know, introducing a new type of language medium to understand reality creation, and I felt connected, even though my work wasn't repeating what P's work was saying. So it then makes me think about well, what is the actual community we're talking about? Is it the manifestation community? Is it the? Do you know what I mean? Is it an awareness community? Are these tools we use like? Because I got to tell you there is a human design community, but if I get into that it doesn't feel good for me, like I can't get too into that, yeah, and community, but if I get into that it doesn't feel good for me, like I can't get too into that, and that's how I feel with astrology.
Ariana Felix: 24:00
Yeah, that's why I feel like people who are interested in reality creation. That's where I get the most nourishment. Not all of them, obviously, right, but like that, that core feels most resonant with me because we're speaking a similar language of what I could also boil down to spiritual sovereignty, right, like that. People who are like I'm empowered and I'm empowering others and I'm empowering the world. Back to this, like solar language, right, like that is where I find the most nourishment, because I can resonate with a lot of different astrologers, but not all astrologers are saying that, right, but in reality creation, while I won't resonate with everyone, everyone in reality creation is saying you are creator, right, and like that's, that's at the root of everything that I'm saying, also very solar phrase. Or him, the sun is creative in creation. You are a creator, like identify as a creator, identify as sun, be the sun, be you know so like all of that.
Ariana Felix: 24:55
If people are at least thinking like that, I'm like okay, cool, you know we can communicate.
Vaness Henry: 25:00
We have a common yeah.
Ariana Felix: 25:01
so you know that, even though I'm using the tool of astrology to extrapolate these ideas and be like, let's follow the order of the heavenly spheres as a sequence of reality creation, how do you work your way from moon to mercury, to venus?
Ariana Felix: 25:13
So you know, like to give people frameworks for reality creation that isn't just like vibes and thoughts, right, like yeah, and so I'm using this like ancient technology, these, this ancient system and these ancient schemas, and I'm translating them into how do you build a world out of your own consciousness and your own reality right now, and what do these ancient schemas have to teach us about that? Because you know there is a big divide between, like the astrology and reality creation communities. Quote, unquote but like I don't know what astrologers think they're doing when they're giving people horoscopes or planetary advice or remediation or this or that, I'm like you're helping people like shape the reality, change their response to reality, predictive astrology that can give me some intense anxiety and like my astrology, I'm going to say career began with writing horoscopes like these little horoscopes this little coffee news thing, and then I would do like for the year.
Vaness Henry: 26:10
Right Now I'm selling a calendar. Here's everything going on for the whole year in the astrology. Here's what you need to know. Here's my interpretation of it. And as I kind of mutated out of that and started taking in other people's work, I noticed I started to get like, oh God, this is happening, I can't and, and it was like what's going on, like it started to have this little stronghold on me and so I do have to go in cycles where it's like I'm not, I ha.
Vaness Henry: 26:35
The only way I can explain this is like I have to pay attention to astrology now in the peripheral, not have it in my direct focus. I have to do what I'm doing and I around every like November, december, in my work. I'll go do all the astrology for the year, cause I need to know what is happening this year. So I like go in plot in my calendar what all the astrology for the year, because I need to know what is happening this year. So I go in plot in my calendar what all the astrology is doing. I share that with my team.
Vaness Henry: 26:58
And then change of seasons, I'll do stuff in the wellness club or if there's something really intense, I'll do some deconditioning in the frequency bar, let's do some shamanic journeying, but I'm not working around the astrology. Oh, we have this retrograding or going direct here, so I'm going to release something there Like it's not. I can't do it that way. But interestingly, what I have found is if I just let myself go into my own devices and I'm working and I'm creating things and then I go, click the astrology toggle, it has start, it starts to naturally line up with things, but when I try to force it it doesn't and it's like I just start to feel really not great. So the predictive side of astrology feels kind of old world to me and the mutative new part of astrology is going into more world building, reality creation, reality perceiving and understanding and allowing you to, in my language, understand the playing field better and what's going on in the starscape around you.
Vaness Henry: 28:00
So how it might impact you is one thing, but it's not how you make your decisions. It's just throwing your power away to something else then outside of you. I hope that's making sense on how I feel.
Ariana Felix: 28:09
Yeah, no, absolutely. I think predictive astrology can be really beautiful. I listen to the astrology podcast which is like two or three hours forecast at the beginning of every month. That's the driest like that's a kitchen dry thing that I do or I'm like yeah.
Ariana Felix: 28:22
I'm gonna hear everything and it's just kind of my like background thing, but I like I find it so much more useful and inspiring and beautiful when we're using, you know, these predictions, for you know forecasting the weather, basically to be like, yeah, hey, now, now you're a different kind of weather, yeah, you understand the playing field, or you understand the landscape you're working with, and it's funny because, like how you said about when you try to force, it doesn't work. You know, we're always saying that in the reality creation space, right, like it's not about the forcing, even the human science not about the forcing, and so it's. I think it's the same thing with astrology and I think like it's like not accurate for when astrologers think that they're so different than reality creation. You know when I'm like the reason why you're telling us mercury's out to get, so we can have create a different experience in our reality and not sign a contract to a house. You know, like, like it's literally like the tips of like here's, here's how to like create a better reality this month, and you know that's what you're actually saying. So I think the more these things blend together, the like the forecast and the predictions will be even juicier, and I actually it's funny that we're talking about this because, like, I just wrote horoscopes again for the first time in like three years on my sub stack, yeah, and I'm just like my horoscopes were never like.
Ariana Felix: 29:36
And then this, you know, there's always just like stream of consciousness Like what, let us understand. Yeah, I'm looking at this lunation in this house Like that's pretty much it and just what I feel about it. And so I'm I feel like I'm kind of like Ooh, I'm excited to be like what, what are horoscopes in the world building concepts, you know? So like I'm playing around with for the new moon, it's about dreaming, because that's what, like the two pillars of my work are like dreaming and world building. So like sun and moon, yeah, so with the new moon, dreaming right Then, like what is the reality you want to create? What are you desiring for this next cycle? And then I'm going to play around with the full moon's world building, so more like I am building a world where and like really look at like how that lunation is lighting up your solar power, you know, because we have that big full moon that's like soaked up all this, this solar juice.
Ariana Felix: 30:28
So, yeah, I'm just, I'm just dipping my toes back into that because I wrote horoscopes for like seven years. You know, is it that like bi-monthly for so long? And then I was like I went way past. You know, I went so I was beyond bored of it and so jumping back in feels really fun. But yeah, I think, I think astrology is my tool, but the core of what I'm doing is beyond that and it's and it's really about like empowering people into their sovereignty to have a more beautiful life. You know, like I think for so long I wanted it to be something like deeper and more extravagant and like meaningful, like politically inspiring than that, and my work definitely can be those things as well. But I'm just like like okay, you have this finite life like I want to use this tool within this context of consciousness and and being consciousness and shaping consciousness and reality, to empower you to have a better experience while you're here yeah, I.
Vaness Henry: 31:29
Recently I felt the same kind of energy as you. Now you're making me reflect, because I recently started something that I called enviro scopes based on a horoscope oh yeah, oh my god, I didn't think about that.
Ariana Felix: 31:38
Are you in a third house year now?
Vaness Henry: 31:41
no, I'm in the, I'm in, I'm in a perfection year, yeah which is this the first house here.
Ariana Felix: 31:46
You're in the first house year now, okay and we have all.
Vaness Henry: 31:48
Your son is in the third house because your son is, my son is in son is in the third house.
Ariana Felix: 31:52
Yes, yeah. So your time Lord is in third house and you're writing Cause I just entered a third house year and I that's when I started like writing horoscopes again.
Vaness Henry: 32:00
Interesting. I definitely have felt a reclaiming of past identities, because part of my six line experience and the perfectionist is like casting out these characters within who are like hurting me and cutting you off, you know, instead of re into reassigning them into different roles. Okay, like you have this perfectionist side in you. Um, because that's trying to protect you, because it doesn't want you to make a flaw, because you're going to get the shit kicked out of you. It's trying to save you and we don't really need that anymore in that way. So how could we reapply that energy somewhere else? Where could we redirect that? We don't have to delete it and kill it. You know, in Feng Shui there's there's healing cycles and there's you work with five elements wood, earth, fire, metal, water and they flow in different ways and I hope I said them all there. There's like a productive flow that's nourishing, there's a destructive flow that destroys, but then there's also one that like tampers you know, just like, subdues it a little bit instead of instead of destroying it.
Vaness Henry: 33:01
Anyway, when I started writing um enviroscopes, it was because I found every once in a while I was giving almost like not advice, but reminders to my friends based on their environment. It's like, girl, your caves, whatever you don't like. You know what I mean. I was saying these certain things and then I noticed, based on the Zodiac season we were in, you know, are we moving through the scorpion or moving through the Archer? Where are we? You know what? What is the playing field? What playing field are we going through?
Vaness Henry: 33:30
And how can I give you reminders about how to hold yourself on this playing field when the starscape is doing whatever it's doing? You know, what do you need to be reminded of so you can make your decisions here, where you are? And so I started to just kind of get a little bit impassioned about that and then just all of a sudden it was like fuck it, doing my own thing. This is a horoscope for your environment. It might not make sense, but for those of you who get it, we'll get it, and I imagine I'll just get better at it as I get my little groove in it, and I think, because it was familiar to me like enviroscope or, excuse me, like horoscope, it felt safe. But because there was a newness, because I had a newness, it wasn't boring Like you had said you know, it wasn't boring anymore.
Ariana Felix: 34:18
Yeah, I was so excited when I saw the email. I was like okay, I love hearing that.
Vaness Henry: 34:19
I love you, I'll get better, I'll improve. I like to learn, I'll improve. I wanted to point out your consciousness because I was listening to you describe your work and then I'm floating over here looking at your perspective variable, which is somebody who has a focused view, and you have this view of wanting, and this is a really elusive one, because this is somebody who looks out at the playing field of life and they see what isn't there. You know. They see the holes in reality and they see what their people need. They see what their people want. They're like we got to understand this. We're not understanding it. Well, this is missing. Let's just do that.
Vaness Henry: 34:48
And I can see that in your work. You know, I can see that your perception and why we don't. We don't understand certain things, especially with that indirect light and the kitchen. It's like you shine a light on the certain shadows that help us understand the playing field in a better way that we might not be seeing. Like you, you know you'll see things that we miss. And this undertone of uncertainty to your perspective this is my favorite undertone here, because it's like somebody whose perspective is going to go. Is that really that bad Like? Is that really?
Ariana Felix: 35:20
the way. Are we really?
Vaness Henry: 35:22
going to do that. It's this like cute, innocent kind of challenge, then, on an innocent motivation that can be so influential. The risk, of course, is that you distort and try to control us and be like you got to learn this If you don't learn this you guys are fools.
Vaness Henry: 35:44
You know what I mean, but I think it's you. You just play such a beautiful part of your consciousness, which is that innocent challenge. You know this innocent challenge that just makes us go, huh. And so you ask the questions that take us places. We would never go without that question that opens up that whole possibility, that whole potential, that whole place that we could go. And so when I think about the way you talk about the luminaries, the way you talk about your relationship with dreaming or world building, or the sun or the moon, or what Saturn's going to teach you, what Mercury's going to teach you, like it's just to me a way to navigate better and with greater ease. So my question for you if you have been under the tutelage of the sun and that's kind of the intimate celestial body that is giving you teachings how have you seen this impact? Important areas like your romantic life and your career, what has that study, how's that come through? How's that affected your actual practical life by allowing yourself to muse on that kind of holiness in that way?
Ariana Felix: 36:51
I love how, how you put things oh, that's a great question.
Vaness Henry: 36:56
Well, because this is your divinity, right. I'm not sure if you have a religious background, but the way you're talking about creator, we could swap that in with the word God, right.
Vaness Henry: 37:03
You know when we're talking about angelic beings, entities, celestial beings. We're talking about planets. So, for you, this is for another person, it's their Christianity. So, for you, this is for another person, it's their Christianity or it's their? Do you know what I mean? And so it's just a different framework, an indirect framework, an alternative framework that goes actually, can we look at this another way? And? And it's in the kitchen, so there's a community around it. Sorry to jump in there again, I do want to know but I want to know what, how this has impacted the practical part of your life.
Vaness Henry: 37:35
What has been, what has been illuminated by the sunlight in love and your work? Oh my God, can we get into your love life please?
Ariana Felix: 37:44
Yeah, I'm talking about work. Yeah, I feel like with my work, it's just like it's the whole you know thing. Yeah, I feel like with my work, it's just like it's the whole you know thing. Let's talk about love. Yeah, it's funny because I'm like wow, how have I not thought about this? Because, and I, but I think that's very solar, which is like I'm just being you know, like just who I am, but I think there is a a certain like demand for my freedom and my authenticity, that this close of a relationship with the sun like it inspires me to have, and I think that requires the people around me, um, and now that I'm going to say this is very, very third color like to alchemize and to mutate and to change and to like have an active relationship or change, because if you don't like, it's very difficult to be close to me, because I'm just like constantly emitting this like frequency of okay, of consciousness and expansion and evolving and they're stuck in their ways.
Vaness Henry: 38:51
They can't evolve alongside you, they can't go with you.
Ariana Felix: 38:53
Basically, okay yeah, and so they're. Just know there's distance that create, that is created, um, which is very solar too. Right the sun is so far. And so I think that, to kind of talk about the challenge first, like that, what can translate into my human form as pressure can become like idealism or perfectionism or, yeah, everything needing to measure up, you know, to that ideal. You know the sun is very idealistic, I'm very idealistic.
Ariana Felix: 39:22
And then the shame of not measuring up, but also the shame of like the, the way that I'm constantly mutating and alchemizing and the impact that that has on my loved ones.
Ariana Felix: 39:35
So maybe they want to go slower, maybe they're not ready for that change yet, and I think in my marriage that was like one of the things I carried a lot of shame about and still kind of like just it's, I feel like it's scabbed over but I'm still kind of repairing it, which is like the, the way that, like my mutation and my acceleration and my pace is like I projected this reality, where it like put pressure on my partner to like keep up or to like be someone that he wasn't, and you know he doesn't feel that way, but that's my shame.
Ariana Felix: 40:07
Narrative is like me being so oriented towards consciousness and oriented towards ideal and oriented towards transformation can kind of create, it makes and it breaks bonds for me, because if I'm like, oh, we're just so not aligned, like I just I can't, you know, and so I think that's been the challenge of being this close to the sun is like that can come with a lot of shame and a lot of pressure and like internalized spotlight, right yeah exactly, and externalized and then on the, on the beautiful end, there's this like growing capacity to be alive and to be present and to be in relationship with people who are like that.
Ariana Felix: 40:52
Yeah, you. You know, and so different from like how I grew up. I grew up in very like contracted, constricted environment and so being able to be connected to people. My cat feeder's going off. I don't know if you can hear it. I can hear that.
Vaness Henry: 41:09
Cat feeder's off. You said, I love that.
Ariana Felix: 41:11
Yeah, I just got it Love that my boyfriend got me an automated one so that I can pause. Okay, pause, okay.
Vaness Henry: 41:17
We talked about husband we talked about. Boyfriend, I love your love story and can we have a moment of this? Can you articulate this for me and explain it to me? I think this would have happened also in your Saturn return, you know, I think, a significant teacher. So what's the love story? So you're being tutelate, you have under the tutelage of the sun, bowing to the sun, and this is impacting your everyday life. You're married. You're a young person, married. I'm in love. You're an innocent being. You marry an innocent being. Side note I was raised by a one, three indirect innocent like you. I have this sneaky way of looking at you and I like understand my parent Like I'm like oh, that's why she did that, and my mom is also emotional, like you.
Vaness Henry: 41:59
So, it's like, oh, she makes so much more sense. You know what I mean. And then when you see young people and they're aligned and they're doing their things, it's like, oh my mother makes sense to me. Anyway, sorry, no, it's okay, that was a little side note, but I'm looking at it like my gosh. This is love. This is my mom the love story.
Ariana Felix: 42:20
So you're under the tutelage of the sun, getting illuminated about you and this affects your marriage. Yeah, it does Exactly Like me changing my identity, changing my, what I want to experiment with and experience changing. Like it also caused my relationship with my partner to change my, the way that I was like presenting myself in the world. I was extremely blessed to, very early in my life, marry someone who was just full of so much unconditional love and so much allowance and so also innocent, right, and and also just kind of like, okay, we're doing whatever we're doing, you know, like, and it's completely okay.
Ariana Felix: 42:57
Um, and so after we were married, I was like, oh, I think I I'd kind of come out as bisexual, like early in our relationship. And then, as our relationship progressed, I was like, oh, maybe I'm a lesbian. I think like, maybe I just like really love women and, like you know, really love eating pussy and like that's just where it's at for me and I need to go explore that, you know, need to do that yeah yeah, and so I was able to explore that while still having a what we called a queer platonic partnership.
Ariana Felix: 43:24
you know. So we still, at the time, lived together and then we eventually didn't live together, but still kind of like, yeah, we're doing life together, you know, like this, like this is a partnership, and so as we kind of deescalated it into a platonic container, you know, instead of the kind of romantic sexual intimacy, and so I was blessed to have that kind of like foundational relationship as I went out and explored and was just kind of playing around with the different shifts in light, right Like the different facets of my prism, of like, like who I am and like what kind of people I'm with and what kitchens I'm in.
Ariana Felix: 44:00
You know I went through like political radicalization, you know, around that same age too.
Vaness Henry: 44:05
And so, years later, I kind of like what do you mean by political radicalization? What does that look like?
Ariana Felix: 44:13
I, so I was never very like interested in that, as you call it, the playing field, like I was never interested in politics or movement or like liberation work. Okay, my mom was engaged in that my later teens and so I've had some kind of familiarity with it, but I wasn't motivated by it and what's funny is like yeah, it's funny. You I said so. I went through this process of like this was like 2015, leading up into 2016, where I was like oh, no the world is, you know all these bad things are happening.
Vaness Henry: 44:47
It was, that was the first.
Ariana Felix: 44:48
Like Trump election too, was in there, right yeah, it was a big energy there, yeah, okay yeah, huge energy, and so I just I kind of got very swept up in that and then, you know, very burnt out by it and of course, I've eventually like full circled my way to back into this place of neutrality, but, like, with this steadfast passion for collective liberation and for supporting those who are, like, more directly engaged in movement work, it is something that I'm like yeah again, cause I'm like I want things to be more easeful and more beautiful, so anything that's like about that, like I'm for so that was happening at the same time and so, yeah, I think this is the kind of like allowing myself to be the star of my life, allowing myself to be the center of my life, and like being blessed enough to have a partner throughout my 20s who was like very supportive of me.
Ariana Felix: 45:38
Doing that, you know, and having that approach which I think is is not very common, you know to be to really just be able to make any decision and explore these different parts of myself and all of that. So, anyway, then I kind of last summer started sleeping with men again and I was like I was like I need to like be in, I need to. I just had this curiosity, this like sacral response.
Ariana Felix: 46:04
I was like I need to innocent, right and emotional like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like I need to experience men again, like I need to. At the time it also was kind of like, oh, I'm healing my relationship with masculinity, like there's some work for me to do here, and that's kind of led me to falling in love with the first person that I dated like 10 years, Right.
Vaness Henry: 46:26
So now you've got this boyfriend who's from your past yeah, who's like a first love didn't see him for a decade and has now come back in your life. What the hell is that? What's that?
Ariana Felix: 46:36
I love that I have a love story. How did this happen? Yeah, well, it's funny because, like, how it literally happened was that he walked into the salsa night that I was at, because we both love salsa, I know I know.
Vaness Henry: 46:53
Okay, A scene, a kitchen, hot bodies right, what a place for you, I'm assuming you're doing salsa in the evening yeah. Oh my.
Ariana Felix: 47:03
God, okay, yeah, it was. It's very funny, like looking back now at the time. When you first walked in, I was like, oh, I think that's him. And I was like, okay, cool, we hadn't seen each other, you know, in eight years, years. But it's funny because I still remember that moment of seeing him, even though I didn't know at the time that it was going to be significant. You know, yeah, so we were just there and so we reconnected and, um, have just kind of like kept in touch over the last two years, so that that was like two years ago, and then this year we reconnected and we're like, oh, actually, this is like there's a tangle between us yeah, there's a, there's a chemistry here, there's a synastry here, there's a connection here that now that we're older we understand isn't common and isn't something to just kind of like treat cavalierly, yeah.
Ariana Felix: 47:47
And so we just started exploring that and I fell in love with a man, which is like so funny because it's like a year and a half ago even I was still identifying as a lesbian, you know, and I was like even earlier this year I was in a lesbian relationship, you know, for a brief period of time and so but that allowing myself, yeah, but Ari does it matter if we call ourself an astrologer?
Vaness Henry: 48:12
or a lesbian or a writer and we have these undefined G centers or we're just bopping around the playing field, bumping into things, collecting minuscule shards and facets that along the way then just becomes this mosaic of identity. You know, exactly, you said something very beautiful that then kind of sent me on a little visualization. I want you to come with me. You said I'm a star, you know I'm a star, and I was like I'm like yes, and we're talking about stars, we're talking about celestial bodies.
Vaness Henry: 48:43
So I zoomed out and like, well then she would be the earth, that's her, that's, the earth is just a star. If I was standing on Saturn, if I was standing on Pluto, earth would just kind of be a star and it would look different from Saturn, it would look different from Pluto, would look different from the sun. These positions, if I could, of course, stand on those, and I can't, but how would I perceive it? And what would Earth's teaching be? If Mars is war and power, whatever, or Venus is beauty and love, and there's all these, saturn is the teacher. Who knows what's going on with Uranus, what? How would we perceive earth, do you think, if earth was the star? What would it?
Ariana Felix: 49:25
Oh, I love this question. I'm actually so glad you asked this. So one of my favorite ways to amuse on the earth is like so, looking at the earth with like that objectivity that you just so beautifully laid out, like it's just a planet, like you know the other planets, and isn't like our planet, you know. Yeah, I'm like, oh, so the earth is this third dimensional realm. It looks different than the other planets, or like it has different ecosystem on it.
Ariana Felix: 49:49
So there's all these lights on it right yeah, so there's all these lights on it, right yeah, and it's just this intersection and that's kind of how it feels like the planetary intersection that like all this life is created from, and so I really look at the earth as like the teacher of of life and in like embodying the creativity and the intelligence of all these other intelligent sentient beings in the solar system, and so I feel like earth is where all these energies and entities come to like, be physical and be alive you know, yeah, and so there's something very sexual about earth you know this like on a scientific level, it's like everything comes back to this, like it's been animal pulse, yeah, like all the way down the scale, you know.
Ariana Felix: 50:38
And so like if we were on saturn looking at earth, we'd be like, oh, that's a sexy planet, you know. That's like about like life and love, because there's like it's.
Ariana Felix: 50:49
I feel like earth would be the emotional authority, you know, of this, because it's just like about feeling and the waves and the water and the absorption of the experience and the sexuality like. So I feel like that's how like earth would definitely earth has emotional authority I have so many things, I have so many places to go. Okay, I have so many places to go.
Vaness Henry: 51:12
Okay, I have so many places to go. Mercury, what's Mercury's authority If?
Ariana Felix: 51:17
Mercury is a mental projector. I agree, it's mental. It's mental, okay.
Vaness Henry: 51:21
Venus Ooh, that's sacral, I think you don't think, oh yeah.
Ariana Felix: 51:28
Sacral authority.
Vaness Henry: 51:30
Okay, okay, okay, we're waking at sacral. Then earth, we've called emotional. Okay, okay, okay, we're waking. It's a girl. Then earth, we've called emotional. The moon, the tides.
Ariana Felix: 51:40
I do love that reflectors are the moon the moon or reflect, oh duh, yes, okay, oh my god, I was jumping to mars.
Vaness Henry: 51:44
I forgot about. I forgot I'm gonna go ahead and say mars could be ego oh yeah, like you know what I mean.
Ariana Felix: 51:53
I mean it's hard because it's like sun technically has no signification.
Vaness Henry: 51:56
Ooh, that's good too. That's good too. Sun is good too. Okay, well, what would be another Mars? What could we put else for Mars? There's also self-projected, there's splenic. That's very Mars.
Ariana Felix: 52:07
Yeah yeah, yeah, you think quick fact oh yeah, yes, no right away, yes, no right away mars is splenic, splenic, splenic.
Vaness Henry: 52:16
People say a couple different ways. Okay, now we're going to saturn oh, that one.
Ariana Felix: 52:21
You might have to list them out for me the all the authorities.
Vaness Henry: 52:24
okay, let me go. I'm gonna love a challenge like this. We've got reflector, we've got mental authority, we've then got self-projected, we've then got ego, we've then got splenic, we've then got sacral. We've got two egos technically, ego projected and ego manifested, sacral, emotional. And then we have lunar one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Well, we can spread them out.
Ariana Felix: 52:49
We can spread them out as far as we possibly can. Well, now you said self-projected. I'm like, oh, maybe that's the sun. I agree, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 52:56
I agree, mars, you can still be splenic, I guess. So, saturn, are we going to put ego on Saturn? Brutal, brutal, brutal lessons. It could be. It could be. I'm open, I'm writing it down, I'm writing it down. Oh, but Jupiter.
Ariana Felix: 53:17
Oh my God, jupiter. I forgot about Jupiter, jupiter's authority. This doesn't hold up all the way, unless we start incorporating types and just make it a jumble of types and authority.
Vaness Henry: 53:26
We can do whatever we want. This isn't right or wrong. We're just musing. We're like these are our muses, these are our creative divinity, that we're sourcing, that we can better understand the fabric of reality through. Anyways, whatever that was fun, I still. I'm worried that ego belongs with saturn, I'm like oh god, the teacher.
Ariana Felix: 53:44
Yeah, I feel like that's not like I would. I would rather put splenic with saturn than ego. If we had to, you keep swapping splenic and ego yeah, okay and then, like Saturn, is also very like decisive.
Vaness Henry: 53:57
So we could, we could make that argument, but yeah, splenic people are always the coolest people when you meet. When you meet people splenic you're like you're you're cool, you're fucking cool.
Vaness Henry: 54:07
Yeah, emotional people are sexy. Yeah, like they have an allure. You're like dang like. If you just tap into that a little bit, if you just I don't know, I don't even know how to say what I'm about to say but you can just plug into someone and observe them for a few moments and you can feel their authority, you can feel their design. I can't even tell you the amount of times. Now I'm getting to the point where I'll watch people and I'll be like I know their kitchens, like I'll go beyond the type, like I'll be looking at the depth, and it's like that's the intervision person, that's a this, that's a that. That's so cool. And then sometimes I reach out to people and make guesses and I'm like, oh, my God, you saw me. And I'm like, okay, I'm glad you're, you're taking a compliment, because this could have gone.
Ariana Felix: 54:45
A really really other way for me. You know what I mean. Yeah, that's great, I love that.
Vaness Henry: 54:51
Where were we before you yanked me on this exciting innocent side adventure.
Ariana Felix: 54:55
We're in an open G world of like. Now I'm in love with a man and, very unexpected, I am cross about this as well.
Vaness Henry: 55:04
And then it's like but what I love about this is Sorry, you're cross of unexpected, you cut out there, cross of unexpected.
Ariana Felix: 55:08
But what's so beautiful about this to me is like reconnecting with someone from my past which was like before my political, like dogma, internalization, before marriage, before all these things, when I was still very much in my innocence. And that is like reconnecting with him now and having this experience. That's also taking me out of all kinds of dogmas and identities, like you said, like lesbian, and you know. It's really humbling in the best way, where I'm just like, oh right, this is who I am. Really. It's just like there aren't any and of course I hate how cliche it sounds but like there aren't any labels, there aren't any confines there, there aren't any, even like it's fluid.
Ariana Felix: 55:51
Yeah, it's so fluid, and I got so away from that in so many different ways, even with my work. You know we're just like it's fluid. Yeah, it's so fluid, and I got so away from that in so many different ways, even with my work. You know we're just like everything's so solidifying, solidifying, structuring and this and that, and so it feels incredibly liberating to like, have love, be reminding me of my original essence, and like relaxing into that again and just kind of like, yeah, finding my way even deeper into my original form, like that feels so good and beautiful and like I love the stories. So you know we dated a little and then you know we disconnected and then, like two years after that, we met at a salsa night again and like ended up.
Ariana Felix: 56:28
This is so romantic yeah, and then it's so romantic. Eight years later we like we know salsa night again, like hey.
Vaness Henry: 56:34
I come to earth to live and embody and come witness these love stories. Let me tell you.
Ariana Felix: 56:39
I love that by the way that's so beautiful.
Vaness Henry: 56:41
I really entertain the idea, I think because I'm learning the types of religion that were I was surrounded with and those frameworks to understand reality and this concept of heaven and hell. It's not really something that I had subscribed to, but it was a very loud concept around me and still continues to be, and so, as an adult, I do a little bit more research on like what is, what are these things actually? Because people assume a lot about them but don't really know, and the more that I would even entertain that. I just felt like earth is the playing field where your concepts of heaven or hell, that binary reality, can manifest here. This place can be a heaven. This place can be a hell.
Vaness Henry: 57:17
When I'm looking at it from the other planetary positionings and I'm standing on Pluto looking at earth, actually it's the planet of aliveness. Actually it's a planet of life and love and embodiment, where you actually get to go and have an experience. We can't have an experience from these other planets. That's the experiential planet. That's that blue, green marble, like there's something about that that's just absolutely magnificent and as you go into that realm of manifestation it can become an oasis and a heaven-like scape or it can become an absolute desolate void and hellscape and it's the same place.
Vaness Henry: 57:50
And I always say, like I've lived here in heaven and hell, if you want to look at it that way. And when are we going to then evolve? Kind of beyond that perception, I think, where this is. So when you say, like I'm looking at it from another planet, it's a place of aliveness, it's a place of embodiment. That's why it's sexy, because I get to go of a creator or God, whatever word is like feeling good to use there, and I get to finally come to earth to have an experience Like that's the Holy grail planet, right, like that's, that's the one I want to go and be on. And just makes me think about the ways like I am here and I could appreciate here more. You know, or just I don't know.
Vaness Henry: 58:32
Cause those experiences aren't happening on those other planets, you know or just I don't know Cause those experiences aren't happening on those other planets.
Vaness Henry: 58:37
You know, they are ancestors, they are ancient teachers. I was listening to something the other day, ari. I'm working on a little like musical piece and I found these old songs from my grandpa and he was a fiddler and he did a lot of recordings, like in the eighties and stuff, and they're on CDs so we can't play them. So I got this fucking CD converter and I'm listening to my grandpa's little music and I'm finally getting to work. And there's this moment where all my ancestors are in the room laughing and a lot of them are dead and it's like whoa I'm listening to, and then they join in, they start playing music again and I'm like this is nuts.
Vaness Henry: 59:15
So the concept of like working with ancestors, working with those who are in the beyond, those who are not physically present here anymore, we can sub this in for people we were related to in our bloodlines. We can extend outward and look at the celestial bodies, we can look through ancient texts, like there's so many ways that we can understand reality, but I find yours to be particularly beautiful, particularly innocent and beautiful way of understanding the world.
Ariana Felix: 59:38
Oh, thank you so much. I love that you landed there, because everything you're saying is like. It brings me so much joy, because I'm like, yes, that's exactly it, you know, like you're landing, like that's exactly the heart of my work. This is where we get to play and experience, and you know, of course, as a being, where I'm like. This is where we get to play and experience, and you know, of course, as a being, I'm like the full spectrum. I'm not just not just heaven, but also not just hell. You know, and exactly, and so the this is a place of polarity in the spectrum, between the polarities. That's an expansion and contraction. They're like all of physics, all of science comes down to. It's a. It's a, it's a breathing planet. You know, if you've ever done the like rooms, you've seen love this and you and we're at a time where we're now aware of all that we're
Vaness Henry: 1:00:22
aware of the polarities, we're aware of the contractions, we're aware of the expansion, and so that puts us outside of that realm, so that we are able to observe it. Now we're in new territory, we are now beyond that concept of understanding. So it's an exciting time to be alive, because how are we going to understand the world? Oh, identity, gender, this doesn't matter anymore. You know, like there was such a limitation growing up, but now you were like oh, I think at that point I identified as bisexual, like we didn't even have that language at one point you know and.
Vaness Henry: 1:00:50
I can now identify somebody who's non-binary and explore what that looks like for me, and I didn't even have that language before. So it's funny, like these labels or these things that are created on earth help for a time and help us mutate and help us evolve, and then there isn't the same need for them anymore.
Ariana Felix: 1:01:07
Yeah, Cause I feel like they're like keys. They're not doors oh, I love that, you know like they're just they're key to open a door into another reality, another perception, another perspective, another playing field. And I think what's beautiful about what you're saying that I'm kind of just so touched by right now is that I I'm realizing as you're talking, they're like, oh, I've kind of that whole experience I've lived in my first 30 years where I like took on all the dogma, all the labels, all the this and that, and then different ones, and then different ones, and then different ones, and then now I'm kind of entering everywhere. I like feel like beyond it and not in a way where I still I can't still call myself an astrologer, you know, or be like, yeah, I'm queer, like whatever.
Ariana Felix: 1:01:48
I'm just like, yeah, whatever key is gonna vibe being in the kitchen, you know yeah, like whatever key is gonna unlock the door, you know, towards more ease, more beauty, more whatever in this moment. Fine, but to kind of like I, I think that's something beautiful about SITS Color and I think that's something that I appreciate about you. And and back to like where I find the most overlap with people, where I find the most core as a kitchens person is like with people who are like also looking beyond, you know, and also moving beyond and and transforming beyond and kind of like being guiding lights into the beyond. You know that that is. There's the like sci-fi fantasy, like undercurrents who are building world building.
Ariana Felix: 1:02:32
Yeah, it's like there is a reality beyond this, just like this reality is beyond the one that was imagined 100 years ago or 200 years ago or 2 000 years ago. You know, I'm like we're so. We get so arrogant in our tiny little like. It's like this is not how it's always been at all and this will never be how it's always been, because nothing is always anything. I don't.
Vaness Henry: 1:02:52
I don't talk about this a lot, but this is a huge part of my shamanic side, which is like the reparation of the brutalized and destroyed imagination that, like we can't imagine a better world for ourselves, so you can't. You don't you'll be able to move into it. And that's the dreaming thing Exactly yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. The same connection with you through in your work. I love that. Thank you for that connection With the shamanic side of going in. The thing I come up a lot is people are like am.
Vaness Henry: 1:03:17
I making it up. I don't think I'm really saying this. It's like you absolutely are making it up. Don't, don't worry. Don't worry about that. I'll show you after why. It's brilliant.
Vaness Henry: 1:03:35
Let's just go translate what you just and maybe a purple tree, I don't know. It's like it doesn't matter. And then, as that trust with the imagination is restored, you're then able to imagine a better life, create a better reality for yourself in ways that you wouldn't have. Like. The only way to explain this is like you weren't even able to explore it before because of the wound to the imagination, the lack of trust in the way I perceive and understand and what goes on in my head. I don't even trust what goes on in my head, and that's that's. That's heavy and devastating work, to be honest with you, and that I think you know. I'm not an innocent being like you, but I'm a need motivation, which is a four, like your perspective, and so I'm motivated by like what's needed and, like you, I think it's play, I think it's experiential play. Have sex, make your art feel good, fall, get up, like it's just the, it's the playing field to me, I guess you know it's not the working field.
Ariana Felix: 1:04:39
Yeah, exactly I love that. You said you were like I don't know, it doesn't matter, and then you talked about like having the trust in our imagination, and I feel like the core of having trust in our imagination is being able to say I don't know and it doesn't matter, you know, and that's that's.
Vaness Henry: 1:04:52
That's color Like you know, it doesn't matter.
Ariana Felix: 1:04:55
Yeah, I don't know, and it doesn't matter, you know, and then, and then you get to what make meaning, however you want, you know, from that place of neutrality and so, like that's, and you get to make meaning. Yeah, and I think that's. It is such a beautiful experience and that, that wound that dreamers carry, you know, like dreamers being people who, like, have a some kind of distinctive connection to their imaginal realm, you know, or have a relationship to their imaginal realm that's carried them this far, like, even if it's damaged or wounded, like that wound to, to dreamers, to the dream, to life is a dream to reality is a dream, you know, is is this imprisonment of the spirit, which is why I also talk so much about spiritual sovereignty in my work. Yeah, you know, it's like your spirit should be able to imagine and and express and do whatever the fuck you want. Like your, your spirit, like this is a free world, right, like, and so our, our imaginations, our dreaming capacities as reality, creating beings, reality, shaping beings, reality, responsive beings is so wounded by all these ideas that come from. They're all about controlling spirit and controlling energy, you know, and that's why it's so, that's why it's so painful to experience and painful to see, you know, and there's so many little fissures that we have, even if we don't have this like big gaping wound to our connection of, like I'm a creator, I'm, you know, expression of this planet, like I, my perspective you know of this planet, like I, my perspective.
Ariana Felix: 1:06:38
You know people like to accuse the like my perspective is my reality, or reality reflects who I'm being for being reductive, you know, but I think, as someone who's, like, been in fundamentalist religion and is no longer in fundamentalist religion, I know that you're my perspective is my reality, because how I saw the world and how I saw myself and that specific concept is so different than how I experience the world now in a different context, and that's a simple enough example to be like that's what we mean, it's like that ability to imagine or that ability to perceive differently completely influences your experience. And so I, like you said, repairing, and like restoring the rights of dreamers, which is to restore the sovereignty of world builders, and like take command of our time and our energy and our resource on this planet, you know, and that that's imperative to me, you know, more ease and more beauty is imperative.
Vaness Henry: 1:07:30
This was just such a perfect example of innocence, motivation and way, the way you can be the most influential in your life and in your work in the world. And when the innocent person goes, the world has shaped me, the world has changed me. Here are the ways in which I have changed and I am changed by this experience. That's when you're not telling us you know you need to change. That's desire. When you just do exactly as you did. I know it can be different. I know I perceive it. I know my reality comes through my own perception. I can see that in my variable, the way I make sense of the world, my motivation is based on my perspective. If I want to use a tool to help me understand this, you know what I mean.
Vaness Henry: 1:08:08
And when I and when the innocent person says like I am changed, I am shaped by this, we you give us the opportunity, as the observer watching you and experiencing you, to go have I changed? But when you go, you need to change. We go, I need to change. You know what I mean. We should react, but when you show us the ways in which you've changed, you have the potential to be incredibly, incredibly influential by being brave enough to be authentic and open enough to let us show. Let us see the transformation in where you were and where you are now and the difference in that Very impactful. Thank you.
Ariana Felix: 1:08:48
Thank you for that. I'm reminded of that every time I like have the courage to write something very raw, you know and like great medium, you know and just like share my story, you know, and share my experiences as I'm going through them or in retrospect, like those are.
Ariana Felix: 1:09:06
That's always what's most resonant with people and I think that's where people actually grow more deeply curious about the more like like the frameworks and the concepts you know that I share. Like they get inspired to actually connect to those things through me sharing my story, you know, and it's like the framework follows the story. For me, you know, it's always like this framework comes out of like not because I've used it over and over and over, but because I went through an experience and I was inspired and I was changed and I was like how can I create a tool or a way for people to also experience that, you know, in this context?
Vaness Henry: 1:09:43
not that it's, that's always my agenda, yeah you know I was like, oh, it's a great idea.
Ariana Felix: 1:09:48
Yeah you know in retrospect. I'm like, oh, it's nice that that's a benefit of it, because it aligns with also what I want you know, which is retrospect. I'm like, oh, it's nice that that's a benefit of it, cause it aligns with also what I want you know, which is more ease, more beauty, more freedom for everyone, because I'm selfish, cause I'm tired, cause I'm.
Vaness Henry: 1:10:04
I'm the most evolved motivation, I'm the sixth color, I'm going somewhere. New it's, I'm showing something else, and everything you said is an example of that. And we don't but we don't have to like, because sometimes we say, oh, it's narcissistic or it's selfish. It's actually something evolved beyond that that we don't yet have the language for. We're still caught in the guilting each other, you know, through being the original, being the individual, but not innocent people. They're here to go their own way and do their own thing, and we only have to watch and observe so we can learn about ourselves in the process.
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