No. 15 - Digesting the Season with Jasmine Nnenna

Sep 8

Come hang with me and my friend Jas as we discuss what it was like to spend the summer together this year — forcing our family's together in an intimate experiment IRL. Using one of my favourite teachings, the Seven Circles of Wellness, Jasmine Nnenna and I explore the concept of dynamic nourishment to get more in touch with our current quality of health, and what it means to really feed yourself in a multi-dimensional way. You can find examples of each of our Seven Circles inside the Wellness Club show notes.

Jasmine Nnenna is a 3/5 Pure Generator, fellow Shores Person, and the founder of Erah Society, a digital oasis for spiritual entrepreneurs. In a mini workshop to deeply explore our Determination Variables, massage your digestive system with us to help process your latest season of life.

Find Jas’s work at:
Erah Society
@erahsociety
@jasminenenna

Examples of our Seven Circles this season

Vaness Henry: 0:03

It's Vaness Henry, you're listening to insights, my private podcast, exclusively for community members like you. Here's my latest insight. I've asked my friend Jasmine Nnenna back onto Insights because this past season, Jas and her entire family came to stay with me in the Okanagan and I've asked her to come on the show and decompress and digest this experience of finally meeting each other and our families in real life. Hi, Jasmine.

Jasmine Nnenna: 0:42

Hello.

Vaness Henry: 0:43

Welcome to the show.

Jasmine Nnenna: 0:44

Welcome Welcome back to the show.

Vaness Henry: 0:46

Welcome back to the show. I do want my insights to feature regular characters who are in my life, like sometimes I'll go interview someone new. That, um, you know, is like a new friend I'm making or somebody who's really inspiring me or I'm really liking their work right now, or whatever. But there are people who are regularly in my ear and are huge influence on me personally and I did want to create a show where they’re characters in my life and you get to know them through me in this way.

Vaness Henry: 1:14

you know I love that, love that just for fun and also part of my part of my experience on the roof Jas has been like cultivating a council of these people and they're all shores people, which is really interesting. So there's a deep resonance there and I've shared with you. My husband is not on my council. He's, he's, he's too powerful. So if he comes in and gives an opinion, it like out, it's like it weighs over everybody else. I'm like you're not allowed to come help me with this. I need my little life separate from you.

Vaness Henry: 1:43

But then I go to my little council of people, I say my little thing and everything that they say it like comes up to the surface, whatever they say about the thing, and then it's like the decision is obvious for me. After I don't feel like I'm making the decision, because once I get all the feedback from the council, it's like the decision is clear and I'm just giving voice to what has come up from that. You know, and everyone has these particular angles of perspective that I really value and that's why they're there on that council. You know, I want that person to come and remind me to stick up for myself. I want that other person to come and remind me there's peace available or whatever the fucking thing is. Anyway, I don't know how I got on that, but what I wanted to really get into was what it was like to feel each other in real life.

Vaness Henry: 2:28

So you, your husband, Alex, your two kids, Elisha and Selah, came, stayed for two weeks. First week was fucking hard. First week was hard. Then the second week was wild. There was like this flow that clicked in with the generators, because now my house was full of two extra generators and then two non-sacrals, and I'm usually the only non-sacral, so that was wild to have this then full house and be like how the hell are we all going to live together, and you know? And then all of a sudden, when you, alex and Derek, these three generators started putting magnets on the dishwasher to communicate when it was open or, excuse me, when it was clean, or not.

Vaness Henry: 3:10

Yeah, I was like this is some next level shit happening right now. Look at. And you guys were like just like not even really talking but like leaving each other little signs, and I was like what is going on here? So, what are some things that stand out from, like the first moments of meeting? I guess we should preface with that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 3:27

We've been friends for almost six years online and I thought it was so funny. Every time I would say, oh, I'm gonna go see my friend Vanessa. You know we've never met in person and people would be like you're going to stay with someone that you have never met in person. She could be a killer, she could be a psycho, she could be all the above I know, I know, I know and I'm like, I'm trusting this six-year friendship from instagram here's that.

Vaness Henry: 3:52

Here's something that I just looked at yesterday. That was really wild. I keep everybody who's. I have friends all over the planet. That's very beautiful and I have everybody's time zones in my like phone, like the clock, and I went, I went. It was on excuse the pronunciation, but Kuala Lumpur or wherever you were, okay, so I had that time zone in Bali where you were, and then now you in Detroit, and it's exactly a 12 hour difference. I think that's so interesting. It was like 12 AM in Bali and then it was 12 PM, or no, excuse me, 12 PM in Bali, and then it was 12 pm, or, no, excuse me, 12 pm in Bali, and then it was 12 am in Detroit. And I was like she would move perfectly, like, like you know, time zone jumping perfectly. She came over here way to the west, and it was just a little too much, so she went.

Jasmine Nnenna: 4:35

Yeah, it's a little too early, just a little too early for me. I mean, the first week was very. I think it was hectic because it's like so many things happening. Also, you guys don't have any emotionals in your family.

Vaness Henry: 4:50

And my family is entirely emotional. Okay, that's a great place to start. Can we start there? When you came, I was like this is somebody who has been traveling for two to three months now, has not been in their home, have not been surrounded by their things. Their body is very similar to my body in what it resonates to this is a shores.

Vaness Henry: 5:13

Person needs to dip into the other worlds, dip into the other kitchens, but there's always going to need to go back to their world and their shore. And I know my friend is coming here and she has not been. She's essentially been in every up in everybody else's kitchen for a season. And when you came right away I was like, oh, my goodness, my friend is fried. And there was like recalibrating, recalibrating, recalibrating.

Vaness Henry: 5:37

You know, it's like somebody comes to you and you're going up to see your friend, you're going to see a person. They come to you and they're like, let's say, emotional, or something You're quickly like, oh, whenever I was going to talk to you about is over, let's recalibrate. What? Where are we at? What's going on? You know undefined solar plexus, and so when you came, no-transcript, I really need to be unplugged and I really need to just be in friend's time, like I know that we're also like colleagues in a way, but I need to not be for this. And you're like, oh, like I don't have to do shit, like you know, but I just had this feeling of I don't think that's what I need.

Vaness Henry: 6:26

And when you came, I the the defined root and defined sacral on you are two things I don't have. And so when I plugged into those and feeling those, that is something that showed me, is something that showed me holy shit, I don't really rest ever and I have a very relaxing lifestyle and I'm always kind of chill. You know, I'm a very chill household and also because that's the lifestyle, because the lifestyle is so chill and relaxing, I don't unplug from it. If that makes sense and I still need to because my life has been like I make a living for myself based on whatever I'm interested in, whatever has captured my attention. I will find a creative way to take care of myself and my family, and I usually work online.

Vaness Henry: 7:21

But I've done all kinds of things you know, and so I don't always disconnect from that, because everything I usually work online, but I've done all kinds of things you know, and so I don't always disconnect from that, because everything I do is like oh, this contributes to the life I'm building. And so when you were out, I didn't, I didn't even have my phone on, like I, I didn't, I had friends reaching out. I was like I'm just trying to see stories of you and jazz. You've only shared one thing. I got to go look at her stories and I was like I don't care, like normally I'm sharing stories because I want to post anything.

Jasmine Nnenna: 7:50

Well, I jazz.

Vaness Henry: 7:50

I'll share things, Cause it's like I want you to see it or I want Alex to see it or I want you know what I mean.

Vaness Henry: 7:55

I want I'm posting it. It's like hey friends, look at this silly thing I'm doing so close friends chat. But I don't even have that Like. I don't have like a private anything. Anyway, when you were with me I, I only wanted to be with you. I didn't care to share that with the world, which was very surprising to me. I felt very much a six, two if that makes sense Like I felt like hermiting socially. I felt so in my life. I didn't have to share it with anybody else in the world. I could go do my friend things. It was fun, waking up in the morning, be like, hey, fam, what are we doing?

Vaness Henry: 8:32

Cause it was such communal living, oh my God. And there's always someone like tidying my kitchen or something. I was like this is fucking awesome to do anything. I love it Like somebody, just everybody had like a natural place or role they would like go into, like your husband's neuroses every night.

Vaness Henry: 8:47

He would clean the kitchen after dinner and I was like the sick. I like pay my kid an allowance to do this. You know what I mean. Anyway, the the thing that really hit me, though and there was a lot of grief that came out especially after you left, which I'll talk about the realization of I'm always plugged in and working because of the way I've designed my life, because anything that I'm doing at any given time, I could somehow turn into art, monetize, make a living through it somehow creatively.

Vaness Henry: 9:17

I don't do that all the time, but everything in my life is basically on the table to do that with if I want to and there isn't a lot of time I allot in my life is basically on the table to do that with if I want to, and there isn't a lot of time I allot in my life. That's like high quality, unplugged. I often will be like I don't know what to do with myself, like I don't know what to go. What should I do to relax? I don't know. Like, should I go read a book? But it's a self-help book. Yeah, should I go? You know what I mean. Like everything I'm doing is like working on the self, working on the family, working on that, not.

Vaness Henry: 9:50

And then it's not that I'm ever. I'm very happy with where my life is. It's not that I think anything needs to be improved or you know anything per se like that, but I'm always kind of working toward something and with that defined root of yours coming in, it was like sit down, unplug. Yeah, I was like okay. And so, as every night, as the rhythm unfolded with the new family unit that was all dwelling together, every night kids would then go to bed, for adults would decompress from the day, go on the balcony together and chat all night. And that was medicine.

Jasmine Nnenna: 10:27

I was realizing it was. It was so many things came out of those conversations Like I mean there would be like 20 minutes where we wouldn't talk, like there would be no one talking, just music playing in the background and everyone's like in their own thoughts.

Vaness Henry: 10:42

Isn't that so comfortable, isn't? That a sign of such like, and then, yeah, something would happen.

Jasmine Nnenna: 10:48

Yeah, right, or some song would come on. I'd get hungry yeah.

Vaness Henry: 10:52

Or some song would come on that would take us back to like the nineties or two thousands. And we'd be like oh, my God. You know, and then yeah, it was absolutely medicine. But you're right, there would be chunks of time of just like being together. Yeah, just sitting, sitting, just being.

Jasmine Nnenna: 11:10

you'd always set like a little mood waiting for a kid to need something, yeah, yeah. No, as I was getting ready for, like, setting up the microphone and stuff, I brought out that the mini workshop, the sacred seven circles seven circles and I realize now, now that I'm away from you guys, my community is going down, down, down down.

Jasmine Nnenna: 11:29

It's like slowly going down. It's almost like a balloon. I was explaining it to Alex. It feels like when I was with you guys, every day I was blowing into the balloon and the balloon was getting bigger and bigger, and now that I'm away from you guys, it's like the air in the balloon is going out day by day.

Vaness Henry: 11:48

Okay, let's check in with this. Let's just check in with this again, do you have? A little paper.

Jasmine Nnenna: 11:53

I have the exact same one.

Vaness Henry: 11:55

Well, don't know, we're going to do a new one. This is how this, this is how this ritual works.

Jasmine Nnenna: 11:59

I'm going to do it on the back.

Vaness Henry: 12:01

Okay, don't look at your previous circles. So the seven circles is from this book by Chelsea Luger and Thosh Collins. They are modern indigenous parents. Their book is about indigenous teachings for living. Well, this is an experiment I've done in the wellness club in previous years. I love this teaching.

Vaness Henry: 12:16

We do it regularly in my family where you draw a circle in the middle of the paper. That's just your middle point, and then you check in with yourself across seven different areas and you draw a larger circle If you're feeling good there. You draw a smaller circle If you're not feeling so good there. And then, as time goes on, you check in with yourself and redraw these circles and you just notice how they change. So you're describing, noticing shifts in your community sphere. So let's start, let's draw some. We'll do it with you. Okay, food how are you feeling in your community sphere? So let's start. Let's draw some. We'll do it with you. Okay, food, how are you feeling in your food sphere right now? And you're going to draw a big circle, a little circle or whatevs. I'm feeling like a little bit imbalanced here, but not terrible. So I'm gonna do like a medium circle.

Jasmine Nnenna: 12:58

Yeah, same.

Vaness Henry: 12:59

I'm spending a lot of money on food. I like I'm doing my budget over, was doing my budget over summer and just looking at what do I spend on everything, and I spend like $1,500 a month on food. And we eat really well, Like we get. We do a meat order from farms, Our vegetables and fruits are all from local farms, Like we're eating well. But I'm still like this is insane what I spend on food. Yeah, and I'm trying I've been experimenting with going to get groceries a couple times a week, not get as much and get, keep it fresh, but then I spent like just as much than when I go at the beginning of the week and get. So I'm like, okay, well, what, I don't know what to fucking do here. So I'm in a medium circle.

Jasmine Nnenna: 13:40

Yeah, I'm in a medium circle too, simply because I feel like I'm just cooking every meal for my kids and making them lunches for camp and like I don't this is coming from.

Vaness Henry: 13:53

I used to have a chef in.

Jasmine Nnenna: 13:53

Bali, exactly. So the transition is like there's a lot more responsibility on food and I would like to enjoy the responsibility. Like I've been at home by myself for like a whole 24 hours and I've only eaten twice, yeah, and so then it also showed me that when I'm plugged into emotionals my kids and Alex I eat more Yep. And so that was a revelation that I just had last night, cause I was talking to Alex on the phone and he was like, oh, would you eat today? And I said I had for breakfast. I had a small breakfast, I worked out, I had a light breakfast, I had a handful of cashews and then in the evening I had dinner and that was it, and I had water and tea. Throughout the day I was also on the couch just watching. Watching was also on the couch, just watching, watching, watching, watching, watching, watching, watching, watching, binging binging, binging reading hungry, hungry, hungry.

Jasmine Nnenna: 14:53

a different level of hungry, and I just realized like I'm eating because there's always energy around me and it makes me nervous and I'm just like, okay, let me just go, let me go eat, let me go eat, let me go eat. But I'm just like, okay, let me just go, let me go eat, let me go eat, let me go eat. But I'm not actually hungry. So I'm you know, everyone's gonna come back tonight and I'm curious to see how you feel if I cannot eat while they're eating, because they're always eating, they're all. They want a snack and they want this and they want this next thing, and I'm like I don't really need those over the summer, like I, I did have these revelations of like I don't know how to feed myself.

Vaness Henry: 15:29

You know, in in human design studies I do find this to be the most challenging variable the dietary regimen. And I've had some of these revelations of like. I remember having moments, right after my dad died, of having to kind of fend for myself and not knowing how to work the microwave and just being so upset that nobody taught me how to do it, and it was like well, just go figure out. I was like I don't know. It's like up high, I don't understand what buttons, what nobody's even shown me. And I had this moment with my mom and my sister after my dad died. It was like no-transcript, like oh, I missed those teachings too. I didn't learn how to my, how to feed myself. Now I'm responsible teaching this kid how do? Okay, I don't know how. We're gonna have to learn together, and so then I just had to kind of do it with him for certain things, because I don't know. So when your family was coming out, I was like, okay, now there's gonna be three kids. Our life is basically gonna evolve around food, because that's how kids work. It's like they're hungry for this, they're hungry for that they're. And now it's this. And even if you think about school, like my kid wakes up, he he has breakfast, then he has the snack, then he has lunch, then he has another snack, then he comes home, then he has a snack, then it's dinner. It's like Jesus, these kids snack, they just constantly eat.

Vaness Henry: 16:50

But then I was like I wanted to see that, because I wanted to see how much I was not eating, because my issue is I don't eat enough. I will go stretches of the day and I haven't put anything in my body. Wow, interesting. And I've been tracking my food intake with my cycle, because only in my thirties has my cycle started regulating. I never had a period regularly until I was like 30. Now that I'm on this about 28 to 33 day cycle, I've tracked that.

Vaness Henry: 17:19

First week, like when I'm actually menstruating, I can't really chew anything and I think that's interesting from a taste cognition perspective, but I have to have a pretty much liquid diet. I'm so nauseous at that point in my cycle I can't handle chewing. Anything makes me gag, and so then, without the awareness of what was going on there, I would get psyched out. Why am I nervous? Why am I nauseous? Oh my God, I'm stressed out and then I would kind of spiral and just make it worse on myself. So, as I've been increasing my awareness and then experimenting with my diet, I still don't really feel like I have it figured out, which is why, like, my food sphere is kind of like an in-between one, I would say medium size too.

Vaness Henry: 17:59

Medium size.

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:00

Okay, so it's interesting, you're under eating and you're supposed to eat more. Yeah, okay. So it's interesting You're under eating and you're supposed to eat more. Yeah, I'm overeating and I'm supposed to eat less.

Vaness Henry: 18:06

Do you notice any changes in your weight Because you have a fifth tone in your environment, variable, and any fifth tones in fifth tones or colors in the body. These are people whose weight fluctuates as, like a way, a barometer of over-consumption under consumption, and your weight gain isn't necessarily connected to food specifically, but dynamic nourishment. So are you on the couch all the time just watching shows?

Jasmine Nnenna: 18:35

I also noticed that when I am on the couch just watching shows and like I'll do like a light movement or something, my body looks stronger. When I try to do really hard activity or workouts, or when I eat, when there is a lot of energy, I don't digest well Like. My stomach feels like it just gurgles the whole time trying to digest the food, whereas I've eaten by myself every meal for the last 24 hours and I'm just like I just feel so peaceful.

Vaness Henry: 19:03

Let's talk about that for a second. Your taste, color, okay, so closed taste, very picky dietary regimen that's going to switch seasonally. It needs to be fresh, it's very sensitive to anything in the life, going stale. And then you have this inner vision tone underneath that. So when I think of that, I'm going to think inner vision, I'm going to think meditation, sense. And when those things show up in other places in the design you can't have distractions around you it pulls you away from that inner vision. So showing up in the determination variable, that isn't that interesting. It's like when there's all these people around me it's almost like too distracting. It's kind of like a calm eater, which is another fourth color.

Jasmine Nnenna: 19:42

You know Exactly.

Vaness Henry: 19:44

But then you got these kids around. You got to do this. Like you know, in my household Derek is supposed to eat in like silence, soundproof room Cause he's low sound and I'm high sound. I just want to be chit chatting and going out for dinner talk with my kids, so it's, it's, they're conflicting, right? How do you eat?

Jasmine Nnenna: 19:59

together. It's interesting because, like, I enjoy eating with someone, like one person, but I don't enjoy eating with someone and there's lots of stuff going on around. Like we went to a really nice lunch and I enjoyed eating with you, yeah, but there was a lot of distractions the kitchen noise, people coming in and out, the chatting, and then visual distraction as well, cause we were facing the mountains and we were facing people eating in front of us and I noticed that like, not that I didn't digest the food, well, but I was nervous. I was like, ooh, like inside I could feel the like, a, like a buzzing inside of my body. It wasn't just like okay, food's coming now, it's okay, you can eat it.

Vaness Henry: 20:48

That very thing you've just described is what the fourth color common nervous eaters are sensitive to.

Jasmine Nnenna: 20:55

So that's so neat, you're not?

Vaness Henry: 20:56

somebody who eats that way. But so neat to hear you describing the buzzing energy in an environment. That's what my son feeds in. So I took you to my favorite restaurant. It's funny listening to you. You're describing all these high sound things. There's the kitchen. You know they're working. I can see them making my food behind me. I'm overlooking the lake. There's the patio. There's the vineyard. Oh my God, our cutie pie little waiter that I was flirting with the whole time Loved that guy. I don't even remember his name or what we're doing. More information yes, give me the wines. Yes, give me the this. Yes, curate this lunch to your freshest food on the land here. But I loved everything. But it's so high sound, right, I'm feeding on more than just what's coming onto my plate. It's the environment, but it's the information associated with this food as well. This beef comes from the land here. This salad was harvested in the backyard Like just because all the the menu there is seasonal and it's all locally made.

Jasmine Nnenna: 21:52

Yeah, the food was so good.

Vaness Henry: 21:54

I'm like, oh, the information. But, it's interesting to hear about it from the inner vision perspective, right and again and then mine is taste over here.

Jasmine Nnenna: 22:02

Let me sample, let me me try over stimulating is how I would describe it over stimulating yeah like the food was so good, but the environment was over stimulating for me and you're sure, is feeling right so this is someone who needs to be deeply unplugged.

Vaness Henry: 22:19

you'd be better sitting outside at a private table and I I'd be like I wouldn't, though I'd be like that's actually what I was imagining, like how could we get our table away from these people?

Jasmine Nnenna: 22:32

Yeah, yeah, I love that.

Vaness Henry: 22:33

I love that about you. I like when you're like this is too, oh my God, every time we would go to the beach, you guys are like taking me away into some back. I was like can we just lay in the sun, please, on the sand, and everybody's like we're in the grass, like all these caves and markets, people, we want to be over here and I'm like, fine, but first we have to lay in the sun, then we'll go over there. Okay, let's move on to the movement sphere.

Jasmine Nnenna: 22:57

Okay, let's move on, we're never going to get through this.

Vaness Henry: 22:59

No, this is the show. This is the show. This is the show. We're de I can't even speak. We're digesting. We're digesting, spending actual time together. I want to talk about the movement sphere and whether this is a large or a small sphere, and I've just subconsciously drew mine a little bit bigger than my food sphere.

Jasmine Nnenna: 23:17

Same.

Vaness Henry: 23:18

Now. I introduced you to my virtual reality machine when you were here, took a lot of videos of you punching nothing. How was that experience for you doing vr? Because you're shores, it should be very cool in theory for you I mean it was so cool.

Jasmine Nnenna: 23:35

it's also interesting now to have the dynamic of being stationary back in detroit. Yeah, and I am a member of a Pilates, like an online Pilates membership, and it's not quite traditional Pilates, it's she's. She's created her own thing, like she is classically trained in Pilates and ballet, but she has created Love. That.

Vaness Henry: 23:59

Love when people do that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 24:00

Yeah, a type of movement that is like primal and full bodied, so all the movements are really dedicated to joints and muscles, like she's deep into it and I love it. I drew that circle a little bit bigger and I realized that I didn't have that routine when I was with you guys, and it is probably the reason why I'm more fried than I need.

Vaness Henry: 24:34

There was a moment where I can't remember what happened. One of the kids upset you or something.

Jasmine Nnenna: 24:39

You were at your limit and you were like I need to fucking go work out or something.

Vaness Henry: 24:44

And I was like, cool, I'll be, I'll be here. It's cool. You're like I need to fucking go work out or something. And I was like, cool, I'll be, I'll be here. It's cool. You're like go do whatever you gotta do. And you went outside in the fucking heat wave Cause you guys were out for a heat wave, which was so annoying, but it is what it is.

Vaness Henry: 24:53

I was like she would bring the heat with her and you were out in the heat wave busting your ass, like moving through an emotion. I had to really use your body. And you came in and you were absolutely soaked and I was like that's interesting. Okay, generator, I see you working through all the emotions of the three emotionals in your family that you are constantly plugged into. I see you being fried from them, from that. How are you handling that and managing that? And so that was like in that moment is when I then said J jazz, we should try my VR, because I had recognized it was very effective for you, like it cleared you to be physical. And also I'm like she's got a whole other pair of motors that I don't have.

Jasmine Nnenna: 25:35

Yeah.

Vaness Henry: 25:36

So for her to like, like it was a way that you really did push the emotion through your body. I don't do that very much. That's not my. You know, when I was younger I'd get mad and I'd box and I would, you know, or I'd scream, or I'd be, you know, do some, some unhealthy things, but that was a very, almost unconscious reaction that you had was I got to go work out, so that was powerful.

Vaness Henry: 26:00

I think that's very healthy way to move through something challenging, cause you can't avoid. Like your kids are going to frustrate you, your husband's going to frustrate you, something's going to happen Like, so what do you do to move that through the body? Cause if you don't, you keep it in the body and you're fried, and that I do struggle with that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 26:16

I will have a challenging experience.

Vaness Henry: 26:18

Now I can't work today cause I'm so fucking pissed off and I don't know how to get that pissed off energy out of my body.

Jasmine Nnenna: 26:23

It's interesting now being like a little bit ahead, Cause I kind of feel like every day that I do a movement I'm like putting currency in the bank for when they do piss me off emotionally.

Vaness Henry: 26:37

I am emotionally. You've got the stamina, the resilience to handle it. Yes.

Jasmine Nnenna: 26:42

There is like a something is adding up. You know I haven't had a huge, I haven't been plugged into huge emotional energy this last week. You know my kids have been gone for a few days Alex left yesterday but I realized that there is this resiliency, this emotional resiliency that's building up every time. I do work out that I haven't used up yet and I didn't quite connect, like working out, to that resiliency. Yeah, but almost to the point where I'm drowning inside.

Vaness Henry: 27:14

Absolutely yes, okay, yes, this is.

Jasmine Nnenna: 27:16

This is different in the sense where it's like, okay, I'm in your emotional wave, you're going through an emotional wave. Obviously I can feel it, obviously I can amplify it, but then what happens is when I amplify it, I'm drowned. I'm like, okay, I'm done, whereas this, right now, it's like, okay, you're going through your thing, I'm going through mine, and I'm still in my body, like I normally leave my body to go be with that other person's emotional wave. I noticed that and now when I'm working out or I should say, moving, prioritizing movement I'm in my body, even if someone else is in distress, which is a huge win for me, because I've never felt or experienced that in my life I'm always in the same distress as the other person.

Vaness Henry: 28:04

It's like hey, I don't have an emotional household, and so that was a huge lesson for me.

Vaness Henry: 28:13

And something I wanted to talk about. My kid had a really hard time. Hey, like that was like oh, so the kids didn't always get along. These three, two, fours needed to then separate a lot and my kid has a phobia with siblings fighting. This is just his thing. He hates this. He's like doesn't like going to places where there's siblings. He's developed this whole thing Okay. So we were very upfront with him. Like there's me siblings coming, siblings fight. You know, you need to be prepared for that. So he was like pre nervous for that. But then when they came, they kind of all clicked right away and then the kids fought, or the kids would have, would have some kind of the siblings would have arguments and my kid didn't know what to do with that and he would just.

Vaness Henry: 28:56

You just started seeing him retreat, retreat, retreat and so whenever there would be an emotional wave that started flowing through the house, my kid did not know what to do with it and would cry. He would get very. Whoever was upset, he's upset. And you found him a couple of times like hey, buddy, is everything okay? And he's like I can help, and he's the oldest, oh let me get your mom.

Vaness Henry: 29:16

It's like I'm feeling a lot of feelings, little feeling, cognition, kid, and so same thing with him in the evenings. After dinner, he started going for walks with his dad, yeah, and he started going for a walk every night, for a walk, and he's he's nervous touch. So he would then go for a short little walk and come in and have to go to the bathroom, just shit it out.

Jasmine Nnenna: 29:35

You know what I mean.

Vaness Henry: 29:36

Like process, whatever that was. And, um, I definitely noticed that after you guys left he maintained that for a little bit, but then now it has fallen off, like the household is very calm here I've noticed it's very calm, but my kid is supposed to be in buzzing environments. He eats nervous. You know he's an activated body, so he's cave selective, so he's supposed to be activated out doing things. And I wonder about this a lot. Me and Derek are both very relaxed, very chill and not a lot of stimulation Cause we're just like hey, let's love each other, make our art, ooh la la, go to the beach, like beach life, whenever you imagine that would be. That's what we live. And my kid is supposed to be, you know, out there doing that and he's just mirroring me and Derek and so I think about this a lot.

Vaness Henry: 30:24

And as an MG, he does not have the same movement patterns as his generator dad or his manifestor mother. So learning how his outlets work has been a bit of a journey. And he's not as physical as Derek, he's more artistic. He'll play music, he'll draw something like he creates or gets his energy out, like he'll go write a song on his piano you know if he's upset or whatever. Or he'll play music, he'll draw something, like he creates or gets his energy out, like he'll go write a song on his piano, you know if he's upset, or whatever. Or he'll go draw the scene out or whatever. Um, and he's. So he's still getting it out of his body, I think. But when there is a lot of emotional beings around and his grandparents come or anything like that, the physicality just naturally increases for him to actually be able to deal with it and process it.

Vaness Henry: 31:06

So, as the non-sacral watching this all go on, it's like okay, I've got to be more physical to deal with my feelings. Sometimes that's what the generators are showing me. And also, I can't, sometimes like, sometimes I'm just, I literally don't have it in me. So what's my other ways I could do that? Well, my little MG is showing me I can make my art and get my feelings out that way. You know what I mean. But, like you, I'm an amoeba and I absorb the emotion in the space around me and I'm past the point of like, like I'm just very honest about that. I get very emotionally compromised. Whatever is going on, I'm going through it with you, so let's go through it. So that's why I'm so strict about who I will have around me and what I you know, because I'm just going to go in it with you and sometimes I don't have the capacity to and that's my responsibility to kind of recognize and then teach my family the same.

Jasmine Nnenna: 31:54

Yeah, it's interesting, cause it's not. That's not how they get their emotions out, like Alex and the kids. They don't.

Vaness Henry: 32:02

Yeah't, yeah. So so how do the defined emotions deal with their emotions?

Jasmine Nnenna: 32:07

honestly, the more I watch Alex he is now in his third year consciously experimenting with his design and he's really focused on his emotional wave. This year is like deep focus on that and obviously deep focus on variables because of your influence, and I noticed that he just advocates for informing me that he's in a wave and like that has nothing to do with you. I'm just in a wave and I can't articulate what the wave is about. Yet I don't know what the emotions are.

Vaness Henry: 32:43

I witnessed one of his waves.

Jasmine Nnenna: 32:44

Yeah, and then he'll just, he'll just go through it. He doesn't actually like do anything now, which is nice. He just will sit with it.

Vaness Henry: 32:52

Well, let's talk about what got him out of the wave, which was interesting. So when Alex was with us, he's the emotional generator parent in your family, you're the pure generator parent and I felt like I was in school watching him navigate the kids' emotions. Watching your husband was like a masterclass on the emotional experience for me from a parenting perspective. Now he's a four, six emotional generator, so that was my dad for perspective. So I'm watching him in there and I'm watching him navigate his child's emotions, because they would have their own separate waves of things they were going through and he would always acknowledge where they were at. But he was so neutral he never got swept away in their emotion.

Vaness Henry: 33:44

I don't know how to do this. Any type of emotion that goes on around me, attach to it, let's go together and I'm like how are we feeling? What are we going through? What's going on? Where are we, we, we, we. I'm with it, I'm in it with you and if I get triggered in any kind of way, any kind of way, right, there's the potential I'm going to then amplify whatever's going on.

Vaness Henry: 34:04

So I live in a very chill household. There's not a lot of confrontation, but when there is, it takes a lot for me not to ramp up, because it's very natural for me to ramp up, I'm just learning. So when I watched him stay so like emotionally even, I was like Whoa. And so there was a lot of times where the kids would get something, would happen anything, and they would send them on a wave. And I was like, oh my God, anything could send these kids on a wave. What must it be like to be a parent of that Holy shit? And so you would get swept away on the wave almost, and it was. You'd be like I can't, you couldn't. It was like I just need to go outside, like you couldn't, it was too much, I'm overstimulated. And it was like Alex was like totally unaffected. Totally unaffected like his emotional resiliency, unaffected by the other emotions of the.

Jasmine Nnenna: 34:54

I just couldn't believe it. But they also all have different waves.

Vaness Henry: 34:57

Yes, they do, and they all it's so, so your son, so Elisha the projector, Because you're describing Alex like it's this steady, cool and that's his weight. Elisha, the projector can get amped up right away and they happen more regularly, but then he's over it. Like he, it doesn't linger, he gets very over it. Alex's was slower. He had this one moment. I only noticed him in the low wave once. Something happened with work.

Jasmine Nnenna: 35:28

Like I don't know, he was still working while you guys were visiting us. Well, he wanted to, he wanted to hang out with us more and he was totally. He had to keep working while we were like doing whatever we were doing during the day, Right? Fomo, maybe even totally, but whatever was going on with him.

Vaness Henry: 35:37

He came in with this murky cloud and we could all feel it and we're like oh, there it is, Cause we're all like ready to learn about it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 35:44

Yeah, they're like okay, there it is, there's the low wave.

Vaness Henry: 35:48

And so you were just you undefined solar plexus were like, yeah, he'll work through it, just leave him alone, just ignore him, you know. And so then, well, how did he get out of that wave? What is the thing that? He's markets? He's a four, six markets. Dude, dad, okay, this little caves six, two generator. Derrick Henry goes let's go do an errand market, and then they're in the car together and he's like is everything okay, buddy, just a little check-in clearing from Alex. They come back, they're all in their dad energy doing their stupid dad shit which, by the way, if you're wondering what that is, I've learned it's just like all they do is like throw sports toys back and forth, like a frisbee or a football or a baseball, or they like quote movies and laugh together that's basically the contents of that experience, from what I've witnessed.

Vaness Henry: 36:44

Anyway, they went and bonded and had some type of dad energy opening up that only dads can relate to. Only other dads can understand the frustration of the partner and the kids and the family and the responsibilities in the home, and he came back clear and totally through that wave and was and was in that, like even frequency, that stable dad energy. They were both in for the rest of the trip. They just both generators locked into our wives want to have an experience together. It's about them, let's handle everything else. So then sometimes Derek and Alex would take the kids and, like they, went to up on the mountain to have an experience or they would go out and do different things and we were like bye, we just want to hang out and like talk and watch the chosen

Vaness Henry: 37:34

only had two solo outings, one a week, and then we watched our little, our little God show at night together. Yeah, we're like let's watch something deep and talk about it. Anyway, um, since we're still talking about this movement sphere and how the things, that the reason I'm learning we need to move is because we need to process the emotional experiences we intake, like whatever our body starts to feel from being alive, it then needs help At least mine does because I'm just learning that it's not natural for me how to move those feelings out of the body so they don't linger and become something septic or make me sick, or I do need to deal with them and the dads you know, oh jazz, this is something. When we were checking in about our movement sphere, derrick said with you guys out, he noticed like holy shit I'm not busy enough.

Vaness Henry: 38:21

I'm not doing enough, because derrick and I get bored on the roof. You know what are we doing? What is the point? Contemplation about deep life things. And he was like with alex here, it's like let's go out, do this or get this errand done, or go do this or go, and they were always on the move doing things. It wasn't busy, no, but it was like things to do because alex is on the roof too yep, two dads on the roof two generators yeah generator dads on the roof like and they both have.

Vaness Henry: 38:52

Like, derrick has a lot of motors, so does alex, you know, and it was just like we would go to the beach and I just want to lay there. What, like? What do you think I'm gonna do? I'm here to eat snacks and tan, and sometimes cool off and laugh at my kids playing, and they're like you want to play Frisbee? I'm like absolutely not, I don't want to play Frisbee. You want to play football? Absolutely not, I'm not doing that.

Vaness Henry: 39:13

You want to go play soccer, because we're all professional soccer athletes or some shit. And I was like, absolutely not I. Whatever you need to do your generator bodies, don't even invite me. I don't want to be included. I'll watch and I'll film you and I'll make some art with it. You know what I mean? And so they would, yeah, and so derrick constantly had a buddy around and I noticed how therapeutic it was. They would just be sort of behind us throwing a ball around, chatting, and I was like in front snacking, sitting, sitting there, eating, taking it in, and that was like therapeutic for Derek. He lost weight while you guys were out. It was wild. He's like, yeah, 10 pounds down this week just processing something.

Jasmine Nnenna: 39:57

It was wild. Yeah, it was, it was wild.

Vaness Henry: 39:59

So then, as soon as you guys left, is the realization of ah, now we go back to our normal little chill lifestyle where there are no tasks to do things to complete satisfaction generator, which he needs. So that's had a big effect on us as a family and just how we set up the week. How we set up, you know what are we doing, what are we working toward, or you know we're both still dealing with that. So for me personally, I've noticed like an increase in negative self-talk this season and heart really hard on my body and it's like I'm ready to shape, I'm ready to shape it or something. And, as a fifth color, I'm sensitive to volumes, amounts, what I'm consuming, you know overeating, undereating, and I put on weight since I moved to the resort and that, for me, is one of my barometers of like, okay, wow, what am I hanging on to? What did I do differently this year? You know what's been going on and I had shared with you right before you moved.

Vaness Henry: 41:05

I moved into a new unit on the resort, I'd quickly moved, set up the space for my friends and then so there was. That was a lot for me and I moved to the quiet, completed side of the resort and I realized how, where I was living, there was constant noise pollution, constant light pollution, where I was always kind of ducking from it and accommodating. I liked my space and my home and my unit, but the surrounding environment was messy and noisy and it's almost like I was kind of bracing all the time from it and I totally didn't realize I was doing that while I was in it, because I'm not like doing anything differently in my lifestyle, you know, and yet I am there. I was bracing. So when we moved to this side and it was quiet and I could hear birds and crickets again, not construction sounds and I could be in the dark and not have construction spotlights, floodlights coming into my windows at night, I felt my body relax in a new, at a new level.

Vaness Henry: 42:00

And then it was sad again Cause it was like, fuck, I know better. And then it was sad again Cause it was like fuck, I know better and I didn't even realize that I was clenching over there. And now that I come here, only now do I realize I was clenching there, because now I'm not clenching so kind of like in the, in the experiences, as I'm in it, I'm not always aware, even though you think you are, and then, when I come out of it, the afterthought is like oh shit.

Jasmine Nnenna: 42:28

That's how I feel about being emotional and being around a lot of emotions and not taking movement seriously or like prioritizing it.

Vaness Henry: 42:37

That's totally. It Not prioritizing movement, because then I get naked and like look at my body and some of the things my body has been through and I'm so hard on my body that I think I got this body and it's like whoa, whoa, whoa.

Jasmine Nnenna: 42:50

We're Leo rising.

Vaness Henry: 42:52

I'm a Leo rising, yes, and the vanity is a part of my story, it's a part of my journey. I like to put on a show, I like to feel beautiful and this negative self-talk sometimes that is toward me, it would be so unacceptable if I heard one of my friends or partners speaking like that about themselves. Like it would be so unacceptable. So I can go into this other topic, where it's like Vanessa, you have a jaw. Like some people have no chin. You have a natural hourglass figure. It's just not shaped Like you've got all of them. You're laughing. You have cute little feet, like I. What I'm saying is I try to hone in on something that I can fucking feel good about. You know what I mean Heart, like, yeah, well, cause, like a big like.

Vaness Henry: 43:33

Speaking of heart, like my chest is something that really has always kind of bothered me. I've had a breast reduction, I had some body dysmorphia. My boobs always seem to be growing. Everybody with this ego has these big tits sometimes. Do you know what I mean Like? And then my bras don't fit and I just feel like schleppy because I have to wear a bra. Why do I have these? So I, I, I think that is can lead to self-hatred and I think that that frequency can turn into a deep illness. So I'm very afraid of it. So I try to just be very open. When I'm having negative self-talk and and, and know that that negative self-talk has come because I've also put on weight, so it's like, oh, that's interesting. So I'm just reflecting this collective thing of how hard women are on themselves when they their body shifts. Look at that. There I am just swept up in that, even though I know better.

Vaness Henry: 44:18

Anyway, long-winded way of saying, I'm trying to figure out how my body wants to move right now. And that's always very challenging for me as a sloth and giant potato person. But I commit to something, usually for a season, and I move that way for a season. So if I've committed to being a sloth and not doing anything, it will just stay that way. So when I'm completing a season it's like, well, what have I just in, what have I been taking in this season, and is it a lot, is it not a lot? How do I want to get this out of my body? And then it's like I devote myself to a rhythm for the next season of processing that. So maybe it's swimming, maybe it's, you know, whatever it is, cause, once I make the promise of like I'm doing VR these days, then I'm doing it If I don't I break my heart and I'm devastated and I'll get burnt out.

Vaness Henry: 45:07

So right now, what I've been doing cause I try not to set something that's too ambitious is I just try to plug into my VR my virtual reality workout, which I did with you have some hilarious footage of, and I do it on days where I'm working. So I have started working when I wake up to when I go to bed, fully plugged in, not available for anything but work, and then the next day, fully unplugged, won't even plug into a single thing, can't reach me, because that's how I, what I, what I did with you, and I'm really trying to integrate that Like well, cause. Then people would be like well, how would you work one day, morning till night, like I'll work till 3am, I'll just go till the energy runs out? That's can't be, that's crazy, you can't do that, and I'm like I don't know.

Vaness Henry: 45:50

I'm just trying to operate differently in the way that's natural for me, and when I get locked in on and focused on something, just let me go, and then the next day I need the balance of not cause. Otherwise I'll lock in every single day, over and over and over. But if I force myself to be totally unplugged, which I learned from your defined root cross of tension. I think I will make better quality of work when I do it, or whatever it is I'm creating, absolutely.

Jasmine Nnenna: 46:16

A thousand percent.

Vaness Henry: 46:18

Let's move on to sleep. How's your sleep sphere? How are you sleeping?

Jasmine Nnenna: 46:24

Not great, but I'm I'm focused on healing it.

Vaness Henry: 46:28

How big is your sphere?

Jasmine Nnenna: 46:30

It's. My sphere is small.

Vaness Henry: 46:31

If we're doing small, medium, large, we're doing any size that you draw, you'll see what your little constellation is when you're done drawing these seven circles.

Jasmine Nnenna: 46:40

I want my sleep to improve, like I have the desire there to enjoy sleep, to look forward. Okay, to sleep, and I don't.

Vaness Henry: 46:49

So what's going on? What's going on with your sleep then? I don't know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 46:51

I never have. Sleep for me has always been like this thing that has to be done and you can try to get away from it, but you'll end up, you know, really sick. So for me, I want sleep to turn into like an enjoyable ritual.

Vaness Henry: 47:09

That's my desire oh man, my sleep sphere is huge. Okay, I'm sleeping the best I've ever slept in my life and I used to be on sleep medication in my early twenties. Like I have had some insomnia, which I now know. Just my brain doing what it does. Sometimes it gets. I have a very intense mental energy.

Jasmine Nnenna: 47:27

That's exactly why why sleep isn't? Yeah, it's that mental energy I want to, I want to share. Yeah, it's that mental energy.

Vaness Henry: 47:33

I want to. I want to share with you what it's like being an ego manifester for a second, how I trick myself and how I do things. If I want to go jogging more, I have to buy myself cute runners and a cute outfit that I look forward to wearing those. If I want to be better about my skincare before bedtime, well, I better have a super slick, beautiful looking skincare routine and tools to use that. I can't wait to get into that bathroom to do that. If I want to make my bedtime experience luxurious, my bedding needs to be like a fucking hotel. My mattress needs to be stellar. My bed I want to. I want to have to want to be in with all those material items, ego, ego manifestor, and I can trick myself right. If I want to be healthier or, you know, if I want to cook more, maybe I need better utensils and better whatever, because the want comes in to want to play with those things or use those things or experience those things. And so when it came to my sleep, it was like, well, what room spray is fun? What nighttime ritual is fun? What bedding is fun, like? So what is the sleep hygiene experience for me? And, and since I've been in my thirties, I will absolutely have like mint cannabis before bed. I'm like Derek, come unwind with me and have this conversation with me, let's share a peace pipe, and then let's go separate ways, and then I will have like a little wind down routine that I do and he won't. He'll just be done, he'll just go to bed. But before I would be taking like a pill a night to just go to sleep, or I would take melatonin under my tongue or whatever.

Vaness Henry: 49:14

Um, but then, like in therapy, I also had discovered there were traumatic things that had happened in the night. Sometimes, when I was young, someone would be having a seizure and we need to call the ambulance. You know, I had a sick parent, and so the night could be very scary, and so there could be anxiety going to bed. And now I have this son who has not had these kinds of traumatic nighttime experiences, but he's feeling cognition and he's so scared to go to sleep at night sometimes because he doesn't know where we go. Well, what happens to me? Where's my, where's my spirit? Where am I? I don't understand. Like dreaming is scary, nighttime is scary, sleeping is scary and I'm like it is a bit. I get that this could.

Vaness Henry: 49:54

But this is supposed to be like the relaxing, unwinding part of the day, but for some people it's like an anxiety inducing time. I can't fall asleep, I can't turn off or what am I going to do. And my son has a totally open head. So I noticed at night it's like it's all like coming out the head. So we will do chatting rituals to get it out. I do these little like reiki on his head. He's his little dream catcher and he has his own whole nighttime routine. Now, yeah, that he can't deviate from you saw, if he deviates from it, he, he just gets emotional. He can't, he just needs his emotional routine before bed, otherwise the sleep is totally disturbed. Um, but even with him, his bedding blue, everything blue, everything he wants everything blue. So okay, let's make a fun blue bed, defined heart things.

Jasmine Nnenna: 50:38

Yeah, no, that's actually a very good opportunity to experiment with that as an undefined heart person, because I do notice that I do that a little bit in the sense that, like, I got this really nice silk yes, I'm asking blackout I mask there and I intervision people every intervision, every intervision person I traveled to and saw this season.

Vaness Henry: 51:07

Where is this black eye mask thing, this silky black eye mask? What is this? Somebody needs to be like an influencer for this.

Jasmine Nnenna: 51:13

Somebody needs to be talking about this thing for inner vision people because, like it's so good because it just blacks everything out, like we already have so many visual stimulations that are happening throughout the day that when it's time to sleep, it's time to sleep. Like, enough of the sign symbols.

Vaness Henry: 51:32

You ever eat with that thing on. You ever sit outside, put your little mask on and just put food in your mouth.

Jasmine Nnenna: 51:37

That would be, I would be interested. I would be very interested to hear how that goes. I would be way too afraid to do that with like people around.

Vaness Henry: 51:44

Well, heaven forbid, someone should watch you. No, no, no, no, god, horrible, okay, but a last little note about sleep. There is something to be said for when you have your own items around you, and this can create a sense of security. We actually see this when you study the perspective variable. When we have that first tone tone of security that comes up. I carry this.

Vaness Henry: 52:11

These are sometimes people who do need to have their blanket with them in the hotel or, you know, being around their couch does make them feel better because the energy is held within that item, you know, and so you've been now bopping around the planet, not with your things surrounding you. You're also Shor's feeling, so you are very extra sensitive to the feeling in an object and space and what it emits. So your, your things are going to emit the best feeling for you, right? It's familiar to you, it's comforting. These things aren't around you. I suspect once you freight over your furniture from Bali and it comes to turtle Island, you don't you will then have a moment of like deep, yeah, my things, and I would suspect that you sleep really, really well. But then you could kind of create what would be especially an inner vision person. Inner vision people. The sleep life should be the Oasis. That is where all the feeding comes in right.

Vaness Henry: 53:13

So if your sleep experience is not the ultimate largest sphere in your seven circles, then that's where the energy needs to go, In my opinion 1000%.

Jasmine Nnenna: 53:22

I also find it interesting, being an inner vision person. I don't know other inner vision people have experiences, but sleep paralysis that started for me. This is all my kid talks about lately yeah, well, that started for me when I was a kid, and I just remember my kid talks about his sleep paralysis demon.

Vaness Henry: 53:43

I'm like how do you even know what this is?

Jasmine Nnenna: 53:45

yeah, and I mean it started around childhood and then I think, in my, my early twenties is when I was conscious that it was happening, happening Okay, and it's not like anything evil or bad has happened, but I do think that it has something to do with like a psychic connection being able, a psychic something being able to tap into, almost like an overlay of reality, like there is a there's.

Jasmine Nnenna: 54:15

There are these different filters Cause I remember in Baltimore when Alex and I had first moved in, alex had some friends over and we lived in an apartment that was just a huge loft and they slept down below and our bed was up on the loft and I remember having sleep paralysis one night and I could actually see this kind of weird overlay of the reality that the one friend that was over was like very distressed and traumatized and kind of just had this energy chasing him, not quite like demon, how Hawk is describing.

Jasmine Nnenna: 54:53

Yeah, he's just being dramatic, but yes, yeah, but definitely an energy around this person that was cloudy, almost like black gray clouds. Just this kind of depressed feeling is the that's the best way I could describe it and I just was like I don't want to fucking see that. I don't want to be hanging out with people and just see this dark cloud around them, and I wonder if that's how I also was as a kid and how if that connects with sleep as an inner, I have so many things. I have so many things to say.

Vaness Henry: 55:30

What is psychicness Like? What's really going on there? You know, people are like I don't believe in that, I don't care about any of that. When I'm looking at this from a human design perspective and I see a fourth tone, I see inner vision. This person is going to possess psychic qualities.

Vaness Henry: 55:45

What does it mean to be psychic? It's as if the spirited part of you can detach from the body, which is interesting because inner vision is the body's ability, right. But it's as if they can consciously separate and the spirited part leaves the form and can sort of move about reality without the rules that the form would have to go through. And so they can move beyond timelines, they can move across the planes, and it's as if they're able to see through that formless field. And it's easy to see how we would maybe interpret a dark, cloudy spirit or a dark cloudy aura as someone who has a demon attached to them. But what really might be happening there is that they're in cloudy spirits. And so what does that mean? You know, there's something that they're going through or that they're not aware of, or it's clouding them and they don't have full access to their, their own natural intelligence Doesn't mean they're evil and possessed by, you know, but it could mean that they're a cloudy spirit and you're able to see that.

Vaness Henry: 56:51

How do you describe that now? As an inner vision person, I see this cloud of spirit around someone and you're like okay, you're fucking nuts.

Vaness Henry: 57:00

You know, but but really you know if and that that's. That's too bad that we're like that, because that's really something quite brilliant going on there. I love this sense, but it sounds like the sleep paralysis component is what I would imagine this detachment to be. You know, like the separating, the conscious, separating of the spirit and body, without losing connection, but you lose access to the mobility of the body and the spirit is able to able to wander and see, and that's scary.

Jasmine Nnenna: 57:27

Terrifying, like that's terrifying let's be clear. Let's be clear, absolutely, absolutely clear it's absolutely terrifying and I think that's why my sleep circle is so small, because I'm like I don't want to fucking go there every night, I don't want to be jettisoning out of my body into some alternate reality. It's like how the fuck do I come back?

Vaness Henry: 57:50

and so that's fair that you feel that way and also that's going to happen. You're equipped with with that experience. If you know this is what's going to happen to you sometimes, how can you best prepare and set yourself up for that experience? You can't avoid it. Otherwise you're just not resting and then you're going to be swept in scary places you don't want to go. Only when you have a quality of rest can you maintain more of the control and awareness when that part of your experience is happening. So if that's going to happen to you and you can't avoid it and you're equipped with this we don't all have this equipment, but you do how can you befriend and respect that part of your experience?

Jasmine Nnenna: 58:26

Yeah, because it's there for a reason.

Vaness Henry: 58:29

I might emphasize this. You're really making me think about this in certain ways, like the sleep ritual for the inner vision person is ultimate, jess Cause, if you're not having high quality sleep, you're not evoking that vision, you don't have access to your visionary qualities. So it's like, yeah, you're a visionary?

Vaness Henry: 58:43

Are you rested Cause? Otherwise, all they're seeing is skewed, demonic, scary seeming things. Right, all I see is my parent getting cancer and dying at this age, or all I see is you know this happening to my kid. Well, yeah, you plug in and you can see all potential realities. You don't know which one is going to come into form, but you do see them all, and that could be terrifying. Think about that, like I'm seeing every possible reality of what could come to be. How do I select the one that I want to move toward?

Jasmine Nnenna: 59:11

Right.

Vaness Henry: 59:12

Terrifying, terrifying. Don't have that, don't have that ability. I'm just a little simple taste person over here, just good with words and shit. Anyway, our next sphere is ceremony. Tell me about your ceremony sphere.

Jasmine Nnenna: 59:27

I really want to get back into my tea practice and it's been so hard moving around and not having that specific room or space in the house where, when you go to that room, you know it's for that specific ceremony or an altar space very similar to that, and not having an altar space that reminds you it's time to commune.

Vaness Henry: 59:54

We need to go to vanesshenrycom for a second because, oh my God, that's another thing that happened while you were out. We would see so many omens and we would go vanesshenrycom and we would look it up. So every time you heard that it meant someone was looking up something. Just based on what you're talking about in sacred space, I feel you have created this altar space. Behind you, there's incense going, there's a vase.

Vaness Henry: 1:00:13

And I would like to translate this vase of pink lilies and eucalyptus that you have just for this is what she has put on her altar. You know what I mean. So eucalyptus is first let's translate that A sign of good health. Eucalyptus invigorates the senses and helps bring energy into the body. Bring it into your waking life to celebrate the specialness of the earth and invite good health and good spirits. A sign of leadership eucalyptus knows when to stand alone in order to stand out and when to add to a larger bouquet when something calls for an arrangement. Cool, yours isn't a bouquet.

Vaness Henry: 1:00:58

You carry a deep wisdom potential that moves beyond vanity and beyond divisions. Consider what you're concealing at this time and, whether it is in your best interest or not, authenticity and vulnerability can be great teachers in the story of your life. This tree brings a great strength through accepting our vulnerabilities. It is a wisdom keeper, spilling teachings across numerous areas of life. A sign of attraction Remember to be clear, aware and invigorated by what you're attracting.

Vaness Henry: 1:01:23

I'd like to move on to Lily. These are pink lilies behind you. Yes, yes, lily, there is fertile energy around you right now, whether this is literal conception or pregnancy, or the birth of new ideas and creations through your vocation and dreams. Oh sacral sound. The lily welcomes birth and rebirth and is auspicious in nature. You have many options available to you and all directions hold possibility for you. There are no wrong choices. Lilies are a sign of long lasting love that transcends time. The lily is a wide variety and holds additional translations based on color. So these are pink, pink lily. Keep your promises. You're close to completion, vanessahenrycom. Vanessahenrycom, so we're talking about these lilies and these, this eucalyptus, because we're on the ceremony sphere. I drew my ceremony sphere, my ceremony sphere, about the same size as my food sphere, and this is small right now, I think, because when you guys were out, I really felt ceremony in my life, which was so interesting.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:02:34

Yes, yes.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:36

Because can I?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:02:36

look back on every.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:39

What was your? What was your ceremony sphere when you were out? How big was it?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:02:43

Out of a hundred, it was 70%.

Vaness Henry: 1:02:46

Oh, oh, interesting way that you I love that you did a little percent for perspective Cute, love that, love, that little channel of logic moment. Well, when, when you did a little percent for perspective, cue, love that Love, that little channel of logic moment. Well, when, when you guys were out every night, a ritual developed of going out and having adult time and talking about life, talking about, like, parenthood relationships too, like, we talked a lot about that because to have another couple there, you know, and seeing and learning from each other, and like that was. You know, we had one moment where we were all like reading each other for filth, saying hard, intense things to each other. It was so healing I was bawling. I'm like, oh, my God, she said the most beautiful thing to my husband. I need to go cry in the corner, you know what I mean. Like it was crazy, but you guys brought ceremony with you, I found, and the ceremony naturally developed and it was something that I looked forward to each night.

Vaness Henry: 1:03:36

It was then a ritualized moment, where then snacks are made, pass around a peace pipe or have a glass of wine. Jazz was responsible for setting the mood and creating a playlist.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:03:49

And you did the candles.

Vaness Henry: 1:03:50

Nessie made sure the vibe was set for her guests, absolutely, and it was really really deep medicine jazz. I do want you to know that, like on, it was on a very healing level. It showed me the hole in my life where that is not something that is readily available all the time. I do not have the people close by that I can invite over, come over, come around. It's basically like something that Derek and I will do with people is like it's like a peace pipe circle. It's like come sit, we're, we're literally in a circle, so the chairs are arranged Like you would be around a bonfire. But we can't have bonfires where we live because there's like fire bands.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:04:32

But we usually would gather around a bonfire in the prairies because it's ritualistic.

Vaness Henry: 1:04:37

And then you would. You would pass some type of material around the circle to connect you to each other. So you could pass a peace pipe, um, you can pass a crystal. Like you're the talking stone, like you can do anything you know. You can pass a plate of snacks around, whatever.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:04:53

Donuts.

Vaness Henry: 1:04:54

I passed donuts one night, Absolutely. But what you're doing is you're creating that spherical energy to connect the group together and we're breaking bread kind of thing. And this is a safe space to kind of open up about whatever is going to come and open up. I think friends are doing this often when they gather. But Derek and I have a habit of kind of being ritualistic about it, Like we know what we're doing, whether our friends know or not. You know, it's like we did it right after you guys came out. We had my sister-in-law come out and we did the same thing to her and all of a sudden she's just pouring her heart out to us.

Vaness Henry: 1:05:28

And she's like man. You guys, this is. We just like people to feel good. What's going on with you?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:05:32

tell us everything. Well, I think that's so deeply connected to. There's a bunch of stuff that you said in there, but the the things that really like stood out to me is what is ceremony?

Vaness Henry: 1:05:45

that's what I have written, that's what's in my head right now. So so what is?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:05:49

ceremony, all the things that you were talking about. It was a communion with spirit yes and it was us communing with each other's spirit. And then it kind of took me to a different conversation around church, churchianity, religion and some some characteristics and attributes that religion has done really well.

Vaness Henry: 1:06:13

The gathering space.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:06:13

Yeah, the gathering space being able to connect with others, being able to commune with spirit, capital S, and then the spirit and the other person.

Vaness Henry: 1:06:25

This is why people get locked into the church. This is why people get locked into things like that. It's the community that and the, the ceremony, the rituals, the invisible exchanges that come from that community community is a different sphere, and maybe we'll go to that one next, naturally, but ceremony is not necessarily something with others right, it can be a very solo thing, what you do, what is considered a ceremony for, for yourself?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:06:50

but when you were in.

Vaness Henry: 1:06:52

But when you were out, you taught me about ceremony in a different way you know, and I found it wasn't ever with the kids.

Vaness Henry: 1:07:01

It was very much like they're now taken care of and away and now it is my time and it's like it was a. It was something I flipped into and because the ritual was developed, I think anytime a ritual comes up, or I see it or it happens in my life, that's what I would call ceremony. It's some kind of consistent flow of energy that my body or spirit or something needs and it becomes this ritualistic, almost like nourishment and self-care.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:07:29

Exactly. And what I realized, that going from 70% to 55% is it's still strong for me because I know how to commune with God and I know how to commune with spirit, but it's it's showing me that it gets even better when I commune with other people communing with spirit or God Totally.

Vaness Henry: 1:07:49

Totally. It's like a chair. You're open throat too Like so I need that. I noticed things coming out of Derek, for example, that don't come out when it's just me and him, like because there were other people. It would bring out other things and I would get to see new facets of my partner, you know, and then also, therefore, new facets of myself, and there is something about ceremony to me that feels celebratory.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:08:13

Yeah.

Vaness Henry: 1:08:13

Or or? Do you know what I mean? It's like there's or intentional intentional is maybe the word. So after I would say that I'm quite good at this in my life, with how I develop ritual and ceremony and intention. However, after being with my friends and showing me it could be experienced at a different depth. It now feels emptier in comparison. It does yeah, because it's like. Why does this feel so good to share and do with others?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:08:38

Why does that feel so good, though, like it just feels better. I was like is this because?

Vaness Henry: 1:08:41

I'm a sixth line. Is it just because I'm like, oh, I learned from the other?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:08:44

But I'm not a sixth line. Is this because we're shorts. Is it just like this world, that world, my perspective, your perspective? It could be that, because another thing that I really received from being with you guys and you specifically in aura, I have tasted and experimented with all the other heart channels except for the 4521, which is the one that you have and it's the one that I have a half of hanging electromagnetic, so I have no dominance. You dominate mine because I only have a half.

Vaness Henry: 1:09:24

I wish you could see me smirking right now. I do, I sure do dominate you.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:09:29

Yeah, I love that, but I've tasted all the other ones and I don't know. They haven't been what I wanted. And one way you specifically described the 4521 was that we go around the table and everyone shares their perspective and then a tribal decision is made.

Vaness Henry: 1:09:51

That's that council energy that I was trying to describe. It's council energy.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:09:55

And if I have half of that, then my ceremony needs to be with council, Like it it expresses better. I get to experience this communion with spirit when I when it's also in fellowship, when it's in council, when it's with the word fellowship.

Vaness Henry: 1:10:14

Writing that down. Why do I like that? That gave me nice feelings in my body, Just trying to be aware Sorry, left brain over here. I had to just take a minute to write it down. Thank you for bringing it back to that energy that where we kind of had began about, because as I become more comfortable on the roof jazz, I don't feel like I'm the one making decisions.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:10:33

Yeah.

Vaness Henry: 1:10:34

I do feel like there is a cosmic, universal decision that gets made because it's obvious and clear, based on all the perspectives that come out, and then I'm simply narrating what that is. It's not like it comes from me personally, but I then do that. But I can see how it would be perceived as my personal opinion and I suppose it is because who have I selected to go on my quote unquote council? But I could see how my design could be used to to do that, to be that type of like a leadership role where you're just, you will take the weight and burden of the decision for the group, Like this is what has been decided and they're thinking this is what has been decided and they're thinking that's what she decided, oh my God. And it's like that's what this group has decided and I'm simply the one giving voice to that.

Vaness Henry: 1:11:18

It didn't come from me personally. So you're so enmeshed with the tribe because they have total control and power over you. When you're surrendered to that, because whatever they want and they come to, if it's in personal conflict with me, I would voice that, but then that would become a voice to the collective and it would still bring it down to something else where a decision would be made and I would still then go with that decision, the decision of the group I cannot always go against. Like this is another big one. Like sometimes, Derek and I have not always agreed on very important things and I cannot proceed on my without him because it's like like the tribe is not you know.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:12:02

Well, it showed me that it was a very godly way to still hold on to control and authority control and authority.

Vaness Henry: 1:12:12

Well, I think you just have it in your life. Like, I think you just have control and authority in your life and I know so much of what we talk about is like no choice, no control, no authority. And also you know I have opinions about that, but well, I would like to maybe it should take a little second to voice them. When we say that to people and we know there are people who have traumas of not having any power or choice because someone else has taken advantage of them or manipulated them, and then we come and say you have no choice, we're directly putting like we're punching into their trauma, point, you know. And so that is a very dangerous language to use with certain people.

Vaness Henry: 1:12:45

So I like to say like and again I'm coming from the ego authority six two perspective you know you always have a choice in how you carry yourself and how you want to be. In that situation there might be chaos going on around you that you you can't control. You can't control the world, but you are here to cultivate that inner discipline, to make the choice for yourself. That's the whole point. You, you can get swept away with everything, but you must choose things for yourself even how you want to feel about something sometimes.

Vaness Henry: 1:13:17

Yeah, and maybe not everybody can do that. I get that. I really want to say, like I hear that I'm coming from a very specific perspective, right, but, but, but but the perspective you're coming up with is not. Don't throw your power away.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:13:33

Well, that's a that can be universalized. Just because it's your design doesn't mean that other people can't learn from the lessons that that you're sharing through it If they're listening in a in a way that could provide applicable understanding for them. So if you're saying that.

Vaness Henry: 1:13:46

Thank you for softening that.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:13:47

Yeah, because it well, I'm hearing it and I'm thinking to myself. The point that I wanted to make with all this is that there is, there is a universalized quality to the 4521. There's still a. This is about me, but it's also about you, and I can't help but reconnect that to the relationship with God. As we're in the ceremony sphere, it's communing with spirit. It's like spirit isn't going to tell you what to do.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:14:15

You have to have some ownership, you have to have some choice and you are also yeah, I mean, you have to know who you are, and if you don't know that you are spirited, then you don't know that ceremony is, in turn, communicating, communing with you. Yeah, I feel like, and this time is communing with you. So it's, it's, it's very layered and I like that and I I think that's why, out of all the channels that I've been in aura with um, the 4521 is most like me, obviously, because I have the hanging 21, but it just feels like me, it feels more.

Vaness Henry: 1:14:53

You like that chamber of the heart? I guess I like it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:14:56

To me it feels like God has to have a heart and that one is very connected to the tribe. It's like I'm hearing you. I'm listening to what you're saying. You know I actually want your counsel. I want to know what you think about this decision.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:16

I think about how this might express if it has no counsel right, like if I don't have all the voices around to speak through and with and for in that way what am I saying?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:15:23

Oh yeah.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:25

Yeah, I don't even know where to go. I don't know myself yeah.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:28

Well, this is often why I will do like collaborations and stack people around me, because I need to create that voice around, you know. And then I'm ready to be used, I'm ready to be wielded. Use me for the best. What, what, what do we need for the group? Use me, you know. Where do you need me to initiate? Where do you need me to like, I can go, be provocative. If you need whatever here, you go to energy here, you need this here and you strategy whatever.

Vaness Henry: 1:15:51

But if I don't have that around, uh, it's all just kind of coming from me and I can't do as much. It's not as resonant, it's not as powerful, it's. I don't think I'm really made for that. I think I made to be wielded in that way, if that makes sense which, without sounding like I'm giving my power away, like I'm very much in something that I have energy for. You know, you want to speak through that. Anyway, ceremony 4521.

Vaness Henry: 1:16:15

Something I wanted to speak about with that, when it comes to the conversation of spirit and God, and I think the distinction I make is like you have this animal form, this creature, the vehicle to have your experience with, but the spirited part of you, that's your consciousness, that's your personality. To me, that would be a synonymous with someone else's use of the word God. You know it's the awareness, the higher intelligence, the natural intelligence, cognitive intelligence. It's that part of you, the awakeness, that is here to be wrapped around a body. I think the body and spirit come together. They make a soul and the passenger sits at the seat of the soul in there and the whole point is to come, give that awareness and experience to make choices for yourself. You aren't in control of all the other choices going on around you, but you are in control of the choices you make. And I something that I do.

Vaness Henry: 1:17:08

I don't like that. I do come across sometimes as people who don't like take responsibility for their decisions and they're kind of flimping or or they blame someone else. I usually, as soon as that starts to come up around me, I usually put huge distance between me and that. I've had friends who are like that and I'm like you know what? I'm not fucking dealing with this anymore. You're not going to get this. I'm not going to keep telling you. You know you're that's baggage. It's like heaviness to bring with you. It's like get it or don't, cause I'm not doing that. I get that you might be doing that. I've lost my way here. I've gone on a whole tangent. Sorry about that. We're talking about ceremony. The next sphere is sacred space. We've just drawn our circles for sacred space.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:17:44

Tell me about yours that just has to do with a short feeling training, lifelong training, of knowing that the vibe is off and moving some things around or adding some things or taking some things away to clock back into a vibe that feels good for my body. However, I'm now seeing many potentials on how that sacred space could be bigger, like having the home that I want to have, having the things in the home that I want to have, having the things in my home that I want to have right, so we've just been planted in Bali for years yeah, and so, and all through the pandemic, yeah now you're coming back, you're in the United States

Vaness Henry: 1:18:40

right, and so you're you're planted in Detroit right now, and now you're thinking I'm going to be staying in Detroit. I have family here, we have connections, and so now but're but you're not in a home yet. You know you're still at this point I'm not I'm not interested to hear this one.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:18:55

Yeah, I'm not in a home yet, but it doesn't rub me the wrong way. I'm surprised that it wasn't smaller, just out of the desire of wanting it, wanting to have my own sacred space, but knowing that it's coming, because I'm already in the motion.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:19:09

The excitement is like yeah, I can see the potential. The vision is there. It's not a worry, it's happening already. It's inevitable. There's nothing that I have to do to kind of fix it or nudge it Like one. One day the balloon will just be at a hundred percent and it'll be fine. I do notice that it's about the same size as sleep and food, and those are the two things that I do the most in my sacred space, aka home, is eat exactly how I want to eat, close taste and then sleep exactly how I want to sleep Close taste and vision, close taste and then sleep exactly how I want to sleep Close taste inner vision, yeah, yeah.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:19:55

So once that sacred space is inevitably, you know, happening, then close taste inner vision will be able to be more nourished and then I think with that we'll be more connected to movement and ceremony.

Vaness Henry: 1:20:03

So far, my sacred space is my biggest fear, bigger than sleep. I'm surprised that sleep would be the biggest, because I have a really great sleep life, but I drew it and it's sacred space is the biggest one so far. Something that happened to me right after I closed out my last season was moving. All of a sudden, this little opportunity came and I was going to change suites, change units. I had to renew my lease and they gave me a heads up we're starting construction, it's going to be noisy. And so I was like oh, like you know, thank you for telling me, and also, how do I feel about this?

Vaness Henry: 1:20:36

Went on a whole journey for this season and decided to move and then, last minute, decided to move before my friends came out instead of after Cause. I thought that would be better, had the best, easiest move of my life. Just all of a sudden that happened. It was no extra stress, nothing. And then I hosted people right away. So I didn't nest, if that makes sense, because my office I just kind of set up. I'm going to have people staying in here. It's not for me to use, I'm not, I'm unplugged, I'm not doing any work, I don't need my devices, I don't you know, and then my life is pretty organized, like when you open the drawers, you know it's easy for me to move and move things around and whatever Cause I like to. Just it's part of my therapeutic taking care of myself is like organizing my cupboards, for goodness, for goodness sakes. Anyway, you saw how I am with my fridge, how I stack my fridge inside. They were making fun of me because my fridge is so organized and if people put things I loved it personally.

Vaness Henry: 1:21:30

If people put things away messy in there. Jazz was like Vanessa's not going to like that. What are you thinking? You got to move those beers give your head a shake and I loved that. I was like, yeah, make it look pretty. When you open it, you should be excited by what you see, not looking for things, oh my gosh. Looking for things, oh my gosh. Anyway, that was very embarrassing to have people in my life with me to see my neuroses on.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:21:49

Oh yeah, it's all on the table. All of ours were.

Vaness Henry: 1:21:51

Oh yeah, like your husband with his cleaning and me with mine, I was like, oh, look at us, look at us, and then I would make fun of us together. So I didn't feel so bad about myself. I was like, look at you and I hey how we are with our cleaning rituals. Which is so interesting because, like, one of my little traumas is my mom. Before she was as aware as she is now. When we were little she was. She's a neat freak. My mom, she thought I was messy. She'd call me a little, she'd call me a little pig.

Vaness Henry: 1:22:13

Oh, this is so hurtful to Leo rising. What are you thinking? I had a huge confrontation with her about that as I got older. So it's like we're. You know it's been put to bed, but it created this narrative in me Like I'm dirty, messy. Listen to that sacral sound. So now you see how that's come out in me. When you open the drawers of my house, you open my medicine cabinet, you open my cupboard, you open my fridge, you open my panty drawer, whatever it's like organized, because heaven forbid my mom should think I'm a dirty little. You know, crazy, crazy.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:22:45

Oh, she shaped me so after you guys left, and then I had some family come out.

Vaness Henry: 1:22:55

I hosted again after and then, once they finally left, I finally was like able to sink into my environment. I got a new piece of furniture for my office. I showed you my cute little credenza. I got kind of like a little light, oak beachy. Look. I have all of my nice white creamy ceramics and lamps and out. So I've been able to like set up my space to better fit me and it's been very nourishing to do that. I've been getting so weird about the directions I face. Like I face East and South and I'm facing North. I start talking weird. I get a little bit gloomy or something. I don't face north. My friend comes over and she sees me all weird. No, I got to sit south. She's like holy fuck, I'm friends with this freak. And I'm like yes, you are. Why don't you try sitting this way? You'll love it. And then you do and you like it. So anyway, I sound crazy. So I'm just riding that character Jess.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:23:44

Ride it into the sunset.

Vaness Henry: 1:23:46

So sacred space is really big for me because I've moved, I have this incredible view. Now I'm facing east, I have this shark shaped mountain that is really inspiring to me. I'm feeling just very set up better now and so when my space will hold me, I do feel that everything else kind of falls into place after that, which I actually.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:24:08

I love how we're talking about this Cause I think it's giving a good definition, a quick one to just check in quickly, so maybe if you don't have time for this full thing. As you know, sacred space is all about feeling grounded, having a firm foundation under you, being able to be set up to me. Yeah, it's a very home office so that you can create output, you can be creative, you can be expressive, you can have an expressive voice.

Vaness Henry: 1:24:37

So I'm just thinking of all the things that are connected. Summarize me, girl. Summarize me. Summarize me. I'm so long winded. I love when you come and do this.

Vaness Henry: 1:24:47

I guess sacred space can be the house, but also one step beyond that. For me personally, it is often my office, you know, that's where I have my all my favorite little things, you know. And so my relationship with that space like sometimes I don't want to be in there at all it's like, oh okay, you really need to look at this, like because this should be. I've imprinted this space like crazy. You know, I have my dream office in my head that I will eventually get, you know. But what do I make? Work for this space and time I'm in now while my son is this age going to school. You know that's where I am now. So what do I need now?

Vaness Henry: 1:25:18

Our next sphere is our connection to land. This is a good one, because sometimes people have a hard time connecting with this, and then I think that in and of itself is a sign to have more time and space to this. So the land sphere and I've drawn the same size of sleep. This is a strong sphere, so one of my largest spheres. I do feel really connected to the land here. You know now I've been talking more about. You know, I want to be here until my son is in grade six, that's when his school ends. And then I'm like then what do I want to be here until my son is in grade six, that's when his school ends? And then I'm like then what do I want to be doing? Do I want to travel farther? Do I want to? What do I want to do? See other parts of the world.

Vaness Henry: 1:25:53

And since I've been opening myself up to that idea, I've been realizing how much I've fallen in love with the Okanagan and it's made me hmm, maybe I am more into here than I realized. Do I want to buy property here and really have roots here, or do I want to stay light and go taste different parts of the world? What do I? You know there is something about where I live that I find the landscape to be quite healing and people who come here are somewhat on a healing journey and I do like to be around that.

Vaness Henry: 1:26:29

But I do want to see other things. But I have fallen in love with this place and its directions and it's it surprised me and what has happened to me here. So my connection with land just seems to always be strong and steady and the more that I do kind of um land journeys and inner expeditions outside and do my that, I do kind of land journeys and inner expeditions outside and do my, push my heart in these cool ways, I feel even more connected to the healing of the environment around me. But I'm interested to hear what you would say, because you just come from Bali and now you're in Detroit. This is a totally different landscape, totally different landscape.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:27:03

And if I'm comparing what I did last time, land was seven percent and now it's 45 it's increased and I just wrote a couple things while you were talking that kind of spurred my I'd love to hear it thought. Lots of space so spatially. I feel like I'm not surrounded or being watched. In a way, detroit is interesting because there are so many abandoned lots that have grown into these wildflower fields and you're driving around and it's not supposed to feel so apocalyptic but it does, because at one point there was millions of people here and now there's barely a million. So you have all these buildings, all these homes, all these abandoned lots and there's just like huge amount of spaces between neighborhoods, like huge, like it just are you attracted to this.

Vaness Henry: 1:28:02

I'm immediately attracted to this. I immediately feel like I'm in a video game. I'm immediately like I'm in a lifestyle. I'm doing a thing. You know what I mean. And can we pause for a second?

Vaness Henry: 1:28:10

When I first met you and held you in my arms, we met in this place called hope so fucking beautiful. We met at hope. I was like are you kidding me the storybook? She just so you know, jazz flew out to me to see me and I'm in a little peculiar area and they fucked up their flights and they only made it to Vancouver. They didn't make it to my little island place.

Vaness Henry: 1:28:32

I don't live on an island, I live in a fjord system where this iceberg came and carved through the mountains and there's a little lake there. And now I live in the middle of the mountains and a lake. And she didn't fly in to my airport, she just flew into the next giant city, which is like three hours away. So then she's coming in and we're realizing this and I'm like, oh my gosh, so plans adjust last minute. Her husband is freaking out because he's hurt. His wife is upset, jazz is upset. She's very sad that he has not prioritized this and screwed this up for her, so he's floundering. He rents a car because flights are too expensive to get screwed this up for her, so he's floundering. He rents a car because flights are too expensive to get a flight here now, so he's going to rent a car.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:29:11

They're going to drive out three hours four hours and they were like every other day, the flights were lights. Yes, yeah, like we would have to stay in a hotel, then wake up in the morning and then I was like, nope, I'm not doing that.

Vaness Henry: 1:29:23

she's not the so they're in driving range. So they ended up renting a car driving up the Coca-Cola, so driving to the top of a mountain, and I was like, cool, I'll meet you there and then we'll drive back down together. And they were like, oh my God, our friends are going to do this.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:29:39

And we're like, yeah we're not doing anything else. We're expecting you to be here.

Vaness Henry: 1:29:42

And it's an incredible drive.

Vaness Henry: 1:29:43

So, we drive and we meet them in the meet, so, as we're both driving toward each other, we can see our trajectories coming together. We meet in hope, this tiny little speck in a waterfall or something Okay, it was spectacular way to start the story. And so then I come out of my car and I'm filming her. She comes out of her car, she's filming me, and then we embrace the point of why I'm telling you this is you looked so cool. You had your detroit baseball cap on. I was like she has so much street cred instantly, like she's supposed to be coming from bali with her linens and her like and she comes in.

Vaness Henry: 1:30:15

I was wearing linens, actually your spirit came in your spirit, came in with a leather jacket and a ball cap energy you know, and it had like a big D on it and it was like forest green. I was like she's so fucking cool. Okay, so Detroit that's. I'm telling this long winded story because Detroit has a box.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:30:33

Yes, Because Detroit is not at all what I expected, and I've been here so many times, like, obviously, my husband's from here. This time, though, has just been so different Like my eyes were open or something, and before they were closed, and I'm just seeing so much potential.

Vaness Henry: 1:30:50

This is such a Shores example.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:30:51

Such a Shores and such as perspective, exactly.

Vaness Henry: 1:30:55

Energy around this space has changed. I am different, I see it differently. This is important for people like us to understand, because all of a sudden, things can be good and suddenly they're not Just be aware of that. That time, with that that is, is has come to an end and you have to just be brave about that, about accepting Exactly, about brave, exactly, exactly. This has come to an end here and then. Now I must do something, must transform, transmute or shift Right.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:31:20

Yes, yes, and I'm the one that actually prompted Alex and said I think that we should be here. There's just a good feeling here this time and he's like love that, how you know, based off of all the other things that happened before. Everyone has changed though Everyone is grown.

Vaness Henry: 1:31:38

Everyone is different.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:31:40

It's ready now. It has, like, things change and and things move and shift all the time and if you're not discerning and if you're not paying attention enough, you would miss it. And I did. I felt like, wow, I'm actually in the right place at the right time and because of that, I'm able to see so much more potential for the land that I'm on.

Vaness Henry: 1:32:02

Yeah, Well, let's talk about that too.

Vaness Henry: 1:32:04

You came to America and there was a culture shock 1000% culture shock because of the difference in lifestyle, and so that was a lot for you. You know, we were chatting as you first came over and it was a lot for you, and then suddenly things were easier. Language barriers had fallen away, doing certain things were easier once you came over, you know. And then, so then that reality hit, it's like, oh, that's kind of nice again you know, yeah, so I wonder what's land connected to where you live I do think it is the space you exist on, like the physical earth.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:32:44

You you know the land beneath your feet and how that makes you feel belonged, like belonging. It's also very much culture.

Vaness Henry: 1:32:53

Well, yeah, speaking of culture, like I very much have been like indigenized by my family, right, and I noticed that, like I don't say I very often don't talk like United States, canada, I will say prairies, the mountains, the Okanagan, and it just makes me have um, um, I feel more of a connection to the body of a land Like, for example, turtle Island is like Canada and the U?

Vaness Henry: 1:33:20

S and you know it's the whole and and Mexico it's the whole, like continent itself, because the place I live is settled on a border tribe that is now in split Part of it is in the US and part of it is in Canada, because they didn't have that separation before.

Vaness Henry: 1:33:36

So when you look at a map without the colonization you're looking at where the tribes are, it looks quite different, and so it's just a way to connect with the place that you live in, which I'm learning is very important. So, like, let's say I leave this place, if I leave turtle island now, let's say I'm going to, I have my lines from austria, which is another mountainous place. Let's say I go to austria. Well then, how am I learning about the energy of the land in that place I'm in? Like I do think it is very important to literally connect to the greater landscape and communities and learn about that. Where you are, to taste the culture. Perhaps that's part of my own design too, as a taste cognition, you know, like to like, sample it and be an ingest it in that way.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:34:21

And it's also very resonant to what we are needing to learn in our lives. Right like you're on a piece of land that has tradition and value the same it's very healing that are in your child's lineage and in your partner's lineage. Yeah, and you love these people and it's like how my little undefined g center.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:34:45

yeah, it just plug that, let's learn, well, I wrote what are you connected to on the land, what type of culture are you connected to on the land, and how does that feed your holistic wellbeing? Because there are potentials that I'm seeing here that I never in a million years would ever want to, not want to or thought I didn't want to like. I always thought, oh, I'm going to open a tea house in Bali, and now it's like no, I'm going to open it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:35:13

Here it's a totally. It's easier to do. Here it's easier and it's connected to the land. Yeah, like there is a culture that a I love but doesn't exist where I am, and it's part of my wellness and it's a place that I don't have. It's not something that other people have created, like a market's husband. It's like he was good at finding it's his, it's his culture and he's got the defined g right, you don't, so you're playing exactly yeah exactly.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:35:44

So he's the one doing the marketing, yep, or telling people about the thing, and I get to just sit and rest.

Vaness Henry: 1:35:55

Yeah, that's what I want. I just want to have my tea, my cute little place, and I want to think about my things. That's well, that's your energy, well because this is so connected.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:36:04

I feel like this is so connected to our individualized purpose. But if we can get all of these spheres in a really healthy place, we don't have to work so hard. Where we have weaknesses, we can allow other parts, other parts of this wellness sphere.

Vaness Henry: 1:36:23

Look at you hey, look at you trying to optimize. What I love about the seven circles teaching is I do love to draw it in like this little constellation. Look, I put it on a blue paper, I give it a little moment and I like to collect them and I did like date them and they've never all been even. I think the point is to have a check in and you're so dynamic as an individual to evaluate how you're doing in these different areas of your life and then, when you see it like that, it's just a check in moment, like a self-reflection, you know, and then I want to give more energy to these spheres of my life.

Vaness Henry: 1:36:55

Now there's this self-responsibility and accountability.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:36:58

But you're making changes, yeah, I think you're checking in. Yeah, it it. It invites you to again have a choice. Like you could get all of these in a really nice position. It's your choice. What changes can you make?

Vaness Henry: 1:37:15

Sometimes me and Ash will do it. Manager of the wellness club. Sometimes my husband and I will check in and do it. I often check in with, like Derek and Ashley, and I always notice I check in differently with others, so like if I would just do this practice on my own. It's not as effective and nourishing for me because when I do it with someone else like just doing it with you right now or doing it how I do regularly in my life, I, when I hear what they're going through, it brings me more perspective and it's like helps me round out my circles better. Like it helps me tune in better when I have the other there, almost like as like a mirror, because like there'll be times when I do this with Derek and what he reflects back it's like oh yeah, I totally missed that.

Vaness Henry: 1:38:03

I'm overlooking that. That is really good in my life right now. Thank you for reminding me. This sphere is better than I thought. How did I? You know, like I do have that moment quite a bit, so sometimes I will just like let my hand draw whatever it wants, and other times it's like yeah oh, I need to really reevaluate.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:38:22

I'm just making a list because I want to be able to put it in my journal.

Vaness Henry: 1:38:25

I love how you do percentages.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:38:28

I'm into that. It's so helpful for my brain. Like I keep flipping the page back and forth and I didn't write notes last time. So because it's still fresh in my mind, I'm writing notes from last time.

Vaness Henry: 1:38:39

And oh man, how fun was that when we would sit together in the morning having like a little warm drink, or in the afternoons on my upper balcony and just chat about shit.

Vaness Henry: 1:38:51

It wasn't that just like so nourishing. I was like let's just check in their seven circles. I would always have some random shit to try. Or you'd be like all of a sudden you'd get on something and you were psychoanalyzing the shit out of something and I would learn some crazy shit about myself. Oh, or you'd have some text or thing you got into and we were spending afternoons, just hours, talking about it. Oh, it's so fun. Didn't know I needed that the way I needed that.

Vaness Henry: 1:39:16

Our final sphere is the community sphere. So draw this sphere now. Okay, I'm drawing, I'm drawing, I'm drawing. My community sphere has notoriously been a challenging sphere for me as a hermit, and I drew this one bigger than land, bigger than sleep, but not as big as sacred space. So this is my second biggest sphere. Quite, oh, a sacral sound from you. Quite an achievement in my books. This is because you have been out and this is because I staccatoed my entire summer. My summer this year was devoted to my people. I traveled to see Canton. She had her baby. I helped her set up her space just before that. So she was super pregnant the first time I ever met her. So fun, uh, known her for five years too. You know what I mean. So that was, and plugging into her g center was whoa, that was a vibe for me. Then you guys, you and your entire family, coming out and letting me, oh my god say, a little brat, little manifestor two, four trying to pull her shit on me.

Vaness Henry: 1:40:25

That was so funny she was. She was trying to pull her shit on me. That was so funny she was. She was trying to manipulate me in her little wave of this one day and I was like we're not doing that, what are you doing? And she snapped out of it and I was like you play your whole family, I see you. And she was like it's the manifestor way oh yeah, manifestor to manifestor.

Vaness Henry: 1:40:51

She like I kept telling you she knows she can't fuck with me in the same way. Do you notice that? So she would always try a different approach with me. She'd be like Auntie Vanessa. Um, I think that we should go like she would. Just, she would just approach me and try and play me and I was like, and then she would try and be like that's not fair. And I was like you're talking to a Libra girl, you want to talk?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:41:01

fair?

Vaness Henry: 1:41:02

Let me tell you, it's not fair and she's like oh, I've been caught. There were also, I've been caught. There were also a couple times and and this was interesting, that you guys noticed this when all of a sudden the group of the kids would get a little too, they weren't listening or something was getting out of control, I would hit a tone. You know, do you remember that? Like there's a couple times, everyone sit down. That's enough. Know what you're?

Vaness Henry: 1:41:25

here and I would and all the adults, but also if the whole room would just fall in line like oh shit and and none of the kids. She's coming. None of the kids would push back because they'd be little brats and be being little stinkers, and you know what I mean. It's like that's fine, I'll find daddy. And then when it starts to get out of hand, that's enough. I said because what happened one day is you were doing vr and the kids were goofing off and then alexia came in and you smelt him with the remote because you were, yeah, because I couldn't see him.

Vaness Henry: 1:41:52

She was doing this boxing workout and her kid comes running at her and she smokes him and she screams and I'm like my fucking expensive equipment ego over here. So then I'm like you here, you here, like it was. Do you see that? Informing that just naturally happened. It was immediately directing where every energy is going to go, what's going to happen. And every single kid just went, whoop, fell in line, innocent, perfect little angel. They were so scared as I cackle about it, you evil laugh, but no but but to to then go to then be like, laugh about it after, like oh shit, is everybody okay. And then me and you go upstairs and discuss it like did you see that? Did you see that energy at play? Like it was so satisfying process oh what just?

Vaness Henry: 1:42:35

happened there? What just happened?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:42:37

I'm just, I told you, I'm making my little notes of, like, what does community actually mean? Because community is very different than ceremony and they're, they're close. And I wrote community is 69, oh, that's good, that's it's lower, because when I was with you guys was 95, oh, that's a full, that's a full sphere yeah, yeah, she's and. I wrote because there's family to call on yeah, there are friends.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:43:06

There are friends like the kids have made little neighborhood friends while we're staring at staying at the Airbnb because there's this little neighborhood that we're staying in in Detroit that is a little bit more developed than other parts of Detroit, and so there's more kids on the street and everyone's riding bikes. It's a safe energy. It's a safe energy and then also network and then people to process with. So it's interesting that I don't have processing and ceremony, because you would think that, like you would think, okay, I'm communing with the spirit and spirit of other people, but it's it's not as much processing, as much as it is being in fellowship, and so fellowship and community are different for me.

Vaness Henry: 1:43:48

I'm seeing community and ceremony historically have always been very connected. For me they're always very similar because I it's funny I see I'm seeing that how much I associate them with each other. But community is usually one of my smaller spheres, so I'm still riding the high and the fullness of the summer, like I'm just digesting that, you know, and and the fall will probably have a different cadence for me, and then come winter I'm going to need to fuel up again. You know I'm going to need, like I love what you communicate with me, which is I, like I know she agrees, okay, cool, you know what I mean. It's just such a language I'm a healthy generator Love that. I'm obsessed with generators and how they communicate Like I they can't lie to me Like I know everything going on with them when they just let their sounds go on.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:44:31

I feel like a an interpreter of the generator, you know.

Vaness Henry: 1:44:34

I love that Cause I would sometimes talk with the three of you around and it would be like let's meet you guys and I would like point it out to you and it was so funny for me it was so being around generators is the best feeling, Like I. Oh my God, one night you guys wouldn't shut off, oh my.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:44:51

God, oh my God, community sphere.

Vaness Henry: 1:44:55

One night you guys wouldn't shut off. That was a great night. That was a great example.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:44:59

No, and that was a great example of how powerful the sacral being is. Sure.

Vaness Henry: 1:45:04

Tell us about how powerful a sacral being is Sure.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:45:05

Tell us about how powerful a sacral being is. I don't think that everyone in the human design space understands the power of the generator, and I should say everyone. I'm talking about sacral beings. I don't think sacral beings understand how powerful their power is.

Vaness Henry: 1:45:21

My whole spiel is I worship the generator.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:45:25

I say this all the time it is a worship, but if we don't worship ourselves and understand how powerful our energy is, then we're taking advantage of all the time. It's the generator that built this planet. It's the generator that makes the lights turn on, like let's do some.

Vaness Henry: 1:45:43

Let's do some backstory. I mean, they can't? Yeah, let's, let's do some backstory.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:45:45

I mean they can't. Yeah, let's, let's do some backstory. I just want to finish this thought and more about. There's an inner harmony, there is an undercurrent with the sacral. When it's healed and it's it's, it's back in action. That's doesn't need words to explain, and I think that's why we express in. When you guys were out I felt like.

Vaness Henry: 1:46:23

I felt like derrick's cross was like, so amplified. He's the cross of demands and the way his energy works, his three motors this guy's got a lot of power. Cross of demands. He's going to give you access to all this energy that he has and he's powerful, but you got to meet his demands and if you don't, he's not giving you any of that?

Vaness Henry: 1:46:42

This ship ain't going, the food ain't being made, he's not giving you access, and I feel like you really were, were were witnessing and observing that happen in real time, and I was trying so hard to get the generator energy and they weren't giving it to me, which we will tell you this. However, I feel like that's how Derek is. So when the two of you were around and you were all like that, the generate there was this night, where we were in our little ceremony, all gathered around together in our circle, and they're still going, and I'm like I don't, I can't keep going anymore. I'm tired, I don't have any more energy to keep up with these generators. I'm going to need like a nap or a snack, but I'm like, I'm like wilting.

Vaness Henry: 1:47:27

And so I say I, who anybody like what's what's trying to gauge a generator? Is anybody need like a donut or like a little treat or like something right, like I need something, cause I'm out of energy and none of them really want anything. So I'm like, fuck, okay, let's try again. And I'm getting weaker and weaker with each time I try. So then I come at another angle and none of them are taking the bait and then all of a sudden I'm out of energy. And then all of a sudden I'm out of energy. I can't keep up with you guys. I'm just wilted on the couch.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:47:48

So fucking funny.

Vaness Henry: 1:47:52

I'm like, okay, no one's going to feed me, Can someone carry me to my bed?

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:47:54

And it literally was so revelatory for me because I I finally realized the connection between the sacral energy and the incarnation cross and the relationship between the sacral and the mind. Oh yeah, Like I wanted to get you a snack, I was like, oh my God, my friend is wilting. I'm seeing it minute by minute.

Vaness Henry: 1:48:15

But my body physically did not, it could not get up and because she was realizing that she wanted to do it in her mind but her body was not. She was just cackling, she was just laughing into the night, laughing so hard, it's the whole passenger consciousness that I do understand, that I could see why people say no choice.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:48:39

That was a moment where I felt like I want to do this bring this full circle, do this, but I am pinned in my body, it is not moving and I do not know why. Like it was like someone was holding me down or something was holding me down. It was. I'm sorry, it was really an out-of-body experience. Like I know, we probably sound like complete freaks of nature, but it I had a full-on holding. Okay, let me have my my shamanic moment.

Vaness Henry: 1:49:07

There. Then that was happening to me while I was wilting, dying, and no one was willing to get me a little cake or anything but like, go to bed, you're done. But I didn't I. I just, I just needed a little bit of something to keep going. Anyway. Lesson for now, as I'm there dying, around my friends, and they're all laughing at me and it's nighttime and the mood is there, I'm taken back to these, these, you know, shamanic experiences and stories about people who come near death. And when they are in this sort of enveloped space, there's all these sort of hooded entities who are there and just laughing. And they're just laughing and it's like, yeah, and you guys all started laughing and thought that was so awful when I told you that I'm like no, it's just, it's the energy of like laughter and joy, but I can see how it's like you come to. And so there's I and they're all laughing at you, these hooded cloaks laughing at you. But of myself, three generators. Well, that's a bigger story around non-sacrals like.

Vaness Henry: 1:50:11

I was trying to tell you guys like you have two non-sacral kids. This is what they feel. This is what they feel we cannot go on. Sometimes I never generate.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:50:19

Your parents trying to make their kids do everything that until that moment, I was was like wow.

Vaness Henry: 1:50:26

Look, she can't do anything.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:50:28

She can't, she physically cannot move and I physically cannot move until the sacral says yes, it's, we can give you some energy.

Vaness Henry: 1:50:36

That's actually what I'm saying.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:50:38

I can give you some energy, when, when I'm making that sacral sound or I'm responding, it's like yeah, you can have some of this energy I can plug into you and you can have my whole chart, you can have my entire incarnation cross, you can have access to everything that I am for your request. When it's a no, it's just says no, there's no energy. It's a no, but I didn't expect to have a physical experience where my body is being held down and laughing through it.

Vaness Henry: 1:51:11

We laughed, we laughed.

Vaness Henry: 1:51:12

How medicinal was that we laughed so hard outside every single night, laughter, laughter, laughter, laughter and laughing at each other and our ridiculousness, like we would read each other for filth, call each other out constantly in this stupid shit we had become like from being alive and then still accept each other anyway, and it was so so we would be laughing at each other. I can't remember how many times I made fun of your husband and he was like, yep, you know the depths of my soul and you're laughing at me. But yeah, when we come to the other side, it's hooded people just laughing at us. Anyway, it's good.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:51:45

other side it's hooded people just laughing at us. Anyway, it's good. It was a good processing. That's how I would define community. Do you have people to process with?

Vaness Henry: 1:51:56

So if you're going to get, if you're going to process and you're going to get the energy out, and you can do it through crying or laughing, and it's going to do it either way. The choice is yours. You know, sometimes I get it. We have to cry. But don't forget that a big belly laugh can clear. A sacral can clear a lot. To be honest with you, man. That's why I felt laughing in community, laughing at yourself, laughing at your friends. Yeah, don't take it all so seriously.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:52:17

I felt so like my, I felt like my sacral did a really deep healing there.

Vaness Henry: 1:52:24

Yeah. So what was it like coming into contact with this land and my family and being in our space. Now you're unplugged. What did you take away from that I shared with you? I took away that cross attention, which you told me you prefer the name cross of relaxation, which I can really attest to and speak to. That sounds softer, so I'm immediately attracted to it, because tensions like judgment, it's like guilt, it's like these words that are like oh, but really that is, that's a, that's a vehicle, that is a attunement. You know they're a chiropractor, they're harmony, they want things to be. And with your root definition and your C girl, there is so much about your energy that is sit down and relax, slow down, and I felt a huge teaching on that by being around you and just realizing the quality of slow down, unplug, and the fact that I don't regularly do that. It was like oh shit, okay, now that I know that's the standard, because her energy will set a new standard, I now I'm going to take that into my own life and live by it.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:53:31

So it's a teaching you know, I would say now being unplugged from you guys, there is a sense of affirmation. You guys all have defined hearts. We compliment each other a lot, hey, and there's a just a deep love of this is who you are. You're ever changing and there's nothing wrong about you.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:53:56

And how beautiful about you I'm more curious to your natural unfolding, because I noticed that you know, I have the channel of doubt and logic and I can really and you know, paired with an undefined heart, I can condemn a lot of myself, like, no, you're not allowed to be in the present moment, you're not allowed to be that character. You have to be this other identity over here, and then it's compartmentalizing, whereas when I was with you guys it was, it felt very holistic, like you can be your full self. You don't have to compartmentalize any part of your identity. You can feel overwhelmed, you can cry, you can laugh. I mean, I shared playlists with you guys. Oh yeah, that were private.

Vaness Henry: 1:54:41

Oh my God, I lived. If you knew I lived, I was like so this is who you are, hey, you, let me think. You let me think you're this cool cat over here doing these things and you're over here doing this, hey. I love it all it adds to the full culture and seasoning of this individual. Do you realize you just got so much more flavorful by letting out this quirky Faith Hill moment with me? Yeah, yeah, what a name, faith Hill, what a name.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:55:08

Faith Hill, and it was. It was so fun to see each one of you guys light up as the as the songs and the playlist went on.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:55:17

It was like oh, this person has a connection and it made me feel connected. It was like, okay, you don't have to be this isolated person that's very compartmentalized. It was like, okay, you don't have to be this isolated person, that's very compartmentalized. You can be fully flavored, multidimensional and expressive in all these different arenas. And I feel like, as I'm gearing up for the next chapter of my career, there is this deep desire that I will not go forward if I cannot merge all parts of me.

Vaness Henry: 1:55:48

Yeah, you, you plugged into an ego house where there is major, major heart energy in my house and we're I just said like we're very complimentary but we will ego check each other constantly. If the other one's like quote unquote, getting out of line, like if you're getting a little too chesty or a little too your egos, you think your shit don't stink. You know you had diarrhea this morning.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:56:09

Like there's all we're just going to bring you down, like just a little.

Vaness Henry: 1:56:14

But if you're a little low, what are you low? You know we're going to bring you up Like we like the heart to be functioning a certain way, and so I was very interested for a bunch of people with undefined hearts coming in, and so I was very interested for a bunch of people with undefined hearts coming in.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:56:28

You know Well.

Vaness Henry: 1:56:29

Elisha's our only one. Your son has a defined heart and a defined solar plexus and, as a projector, is the most different out of the whole group. You know I loved watching that and how that unfolded and what he needed. I thought he was so funny. Like I was just I thought the way he would name things going on with his powerful heart and emotions. I thought he was just. I thought the way he would name things going on with his powerful heart and emotions. I thought he was like I'm done talking about this. I love that. I was like, yes, he is Goodbye. Like I was just constantly entertained. Like it was like this live show around me. I was filming everything. It was ridiculous. Where was I? We're going to just go with that. We're just land. We're closing out the community sphere.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:57:03

We're closing up, yes, we're closing out the community sphere. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven and let's see what your constellation looks like.

Vaness Henry: 1:57:10

Here's here I am. You make it like, look what you did. You're gonna have to send me a picture of that. No, maybe it's too intimate, I don't know. But if you want, you can send me a picture of your constellation. I'll put it with mine and everybody knows how this works.

Vaness Henry: 1:57:23

I think this is a great thing to do over tea check in, what are you doing? And just and just you're talking about different areas of life. I find it very shoresy, very dynamic. There's a book I picked up a couple of years ago and fell in love with, and I've just woven it into my family's lifestyle, so much so that when, when my friends come out, we do it with them. And you know what? It's funny.

Vaness Henry: 1:57:44

People want to get intimate. People want to go, talk about things like this and be in ceremony and community with their people and connect. And there is a very important medicine in that and a pairing of some grief in my own life of realizing Hmm, I've isolated myself on the roof so much in my hermit lifestyle now that that is not as available to me. I'm not interested in going and really making friends around me where I live. I'll get into the community, but I can feel I have some kind of barrier up. I have my people that I like, but they're all over the world. So if that's how I am, that's how I am.

Vaness Henry: 1:58:22

But now I can feel I need to prioritize ritualistically doing something. So I've shared with you, jazz Winter. What are we doing? Where am I meeting you? What hotel are we booking to unplug and go to our little spa, because my spirit's going to need that. I'm going to start to be feeling a little empty in this area of my life, and you're like me too. Okay, let's go do this. And then how can I go see this person or how can I go see that person? So if I reach the point where my friends are all over the globe, well then I need to prioritize being over all over the globe to be with them, and that's important to me at this point in my life.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:58:55

Oh, okay, this is a great point. It brings up the things we're not aware that we need and that are important to us because there's a certain privilege, even to what I said, like I get that.

Vaness Henry: 1:59:09

Not everybody can do that, but that's where I've cultivated my life to at this point.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:59:13

But it's okay, though I wouldn't even necessarily call that privilege as I would call it a priority, because if it's not a priority to someone else, then it doesn't matter if they have the money or not. They're not going to take trips to see their friends.

Vaness Henry: 1:59:31

Well, and I think a lot of people will like prioritize, quote unquote, flying back home or wherever they come from, to like seek, like family members, and I have to tell you I don't feel that whole because I don't feel like back home. I don't resonate to that space. It's a place of pain point to me.

Jasmine Nnenna: 1:59:42

So it's. That's not my experience. It's not it's and it's not one of your spheres of wellness. You don't need to invest in that.

Vaness Henry: 1:59:49

My family. I have them come here. You know my mom flies out here, my sister comes out here. I just recently did like Christmas time and flew back and I was like I don't have to do this for years now Cause I don't, I didn't like this, I don't want to do this. My whole family got sick. I don't, I don't like it here. It's fucking minus 50. I don't want to be here.

Vaness Henry: 2:00:07

No, like that's like in my body, you know, and I'm at this point in my life where I'm just being radically honest about that. Don't interpret this as I don't like you. The people here come to me, come see me, absolutely, but I'm not going there. So if my priority at this point in my life is to go be with the nourishing relationships, well, that's the family I'm cultivating for myself and a lot of that is my friendships, you know. And then just reaching a place of prioritizing that in my life and that to me, is that community spirit, big teaching that I wasn't aware of, cause, you know, I had friends around growing up all the time and I, you know, I'm in a different time of life now.

Jasmine Nnenna: 2:00:42

I love this. I love it so much. I love this, I love it so much. It's like, it's just important, like what is my priority in this season of life? I also wrote that I had 13% space last time we did this sacred space and this time I feel it's 34%, and the things that changed was we were in flux, we were moving, we were traveling. So moving and traveling is not a priority for me in this season.

Vaness Henry: 2:01:07

I don't need that right now, but you see it was in the past.

Jasmine Nnenna: 2:01:11

It was exactly it was, and then it shrunk down because it was trying to tell me hey, not a priority anymore, shrinking down, shrinking down. So how do I get it back to being healthy and a good size circle? Well now, what does sacred space mean to me in this season? I'm not that connected to my creativity, but I want to be. So what do I need to do and shift in order to have that?

Vaness Henry: 2:01:35

Well, thank you for coming on, kicking off a new stream of insights to help me digest this season of meeting you in real life and going through the seven circles indigenous teachings for living. Well, one of my favorite books I'm learning because it is so integrated in my life. Thank you for doing this little constellation with me.

Vaness Henry: 2:01:53

Thank, you um, and for everything in the summer the summer jazz, like, just like you need to know, like person to person. That was crazy impactful for me in my experience. Me too, I like my life right now that I don't have to be engaging with people all the time. It's allowing me for a deep cocoon of healing because I'm realizing I've got some pretty big wounds that have happened to me and so now going back out into the world you've shown me can be medicinal rather than hurt me again. So thank you for that. That was like a deep teaching I needed to experience.

Vaness Henry: 2:02:23

Thank you for coming into my home and seeing the nooks and crannies of my family, opening the drawers, see what's going on, see how I get tired, and then still accepting and embracing me despite that. So, healing and I feel like our families bonded on a different level. I realized the dad energy my husband needs because he's also a six, two like me. So we're going through the same things and that was an absolutely amazing season. So thank you.

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No. 15 - Digesting the Season with Jasmine Nnenna

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