No. 16 - Forecasting Ahead with Rachel Lieberman
Come hang with me and my friend Rachel as we discuss community hot topics, like the launch of Ra.TV, the loneliness and isolation in our workplace, and what powerfully mutative opportunities are on the horizon for the Human Design Kitchen. We're also celebrating our birthdays! We're each entering a new season and brand new Personal Year, so how might we set ourselves up in a changing world? As Rach and I put our defined heads together for a check-in, she shares her menu of possibilities when deciding on what projects to manifest and create in the year ahead, what's she noticed is making her ill in her work, and what she thinks the ACTUAL point of the Aquarian Age is.
Rachel is a 1/3 Pure Generator, Vessel of Love, and Kitchens Person with Power View. She's the creator of the Pure Generators Platform, author to A Modern Guide to Human Design, and long-time friend across the border from me. I value Rachel's perspective so much because she is the Kitchen to my Shore, and the Power to my Personal View. I will never naturally see what Rachel sees, but I can benefit immensely from learning from her perspective since a part of me deeply relates to it.
Rachel and I reference her Numerology Guide a lot in this conversation since it' s my favourite!
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Vaness Henry: 0:03
It's Vaness Henry, you're listening to InSights, my private podcast exclusively for community members like you. Here's my latest insight: I've invited my friend Rachel back to the show, my favourite little one, three generator kitchens, environment pal, who lives a little bit south of the border from me, and we wanted to get into forecasting ahead new season. What are we doing? What are we working on? What's fun? What's happening? Rachel, welcome to the show.
Rachel Lieberman: 0:41
Thank you, I'm glad to be back.
Vaness Henry:
So how was the past season?
Rachel Lieberman:
It was, I mean, I was trying to just make sense of it all in the last couple of days in preparation for this conversation. It's been a really good year for me. I think I've made a lot of progress in a lot of areas of life that were kind of sticky for a long time and I didn't quite understand how to move forward, and I've just been creating a lot of stuff and enjoying like actually getting to enjoy this summer, because I've definitely had kind of lost summers in this business where I just felt like I was working a lot and not really getting to be present. And yeah, virgo season is always a big restart, totally. And I was in a one year which, honestly, I was like thinking about it last night, I was like I don't even know what this new cycle is about. Do I, do I even know what? Even, what did I happen to me? What did I understand this year? Nothing, I don't know, but I don't think that's true.
Vaness Henry: 1:45
So right, so we're both September babies and your birthday was yesterday, 21st, yeah, and you're now going into a two year. I'm going into a seven year. My six year was really about relationships and I do feel like I had I had just said with you before we jumped on I started the year coming up to Portland for your book launch. So that was, rachel, that's a one year. Putting a book out Like that's a definite new chapter, new foundation, and my whole year was prioritizing my relationships.
Vaness Henry: 2:18
I was really kind of realizing, wow, I've really isolated myself. I live in this remote area, I'm on the roof. I sometimes just see my family for long periods of time and come mid-summer, like August, when we were retrograding really, I started getting some real negative self-talk and just kind of hard on myself. But I was so unplugged from the summer that I think I was just like I wasn't working, I wasn't looking at anything online. I was really a kind of a hard reset which I needed. But then it was like I'm unplugged for too long and I started to get. I started, yeah, to be harsh internally or something and I was kind of crediting it to some of the astrology that was going on and kind of reflecting at something and I was kind of crediting it to some of the astrology that was going on and kind of reflecting at things. But how was August and the retrogrades for you and your world?
Rachel Lieberman: 3:11
Yeah, very similar actually. So I feel like the main theme that I was thinking about, not just in August but all summer, was the same thing kind of looking around and realizing I don't have any people in my life to do things with. Like that's looking around and realizing I don't have any people in my life to do things with yeah, like that's me. Not that I don't have friends, because I do, but they're not in my city, they're not here with me, and I did that word isolated really was like in my mind a lot, and I did like I would. It would be a Friday night and I'd be like, oh, I really want to go to the park with my dog and I would see all these people hanging out and I would get really sad, and me too.
Vaness Henry: 3:52
Okay, you're describing.
Rachel Lieberman: 3:53
Yeah, I was going through this too sad.
Rachel Lieberman: 3:55
Yeah, and some of it, I think, is it's kind of like those those negative parts of deconditioning.
Rachel Lieberman: 4:04
Yeah, I wrote a little bit to my email list and on my platforms about how first, third and fifth lines socialize a bit differently and I actually think six, twos then kind of wrote to me and they're like I feel similar and I'm like, yeah, I think you guys would be included, basically anybody without a four, which would be like all the, the yeah, one, three, fives and whatever, especially people who don't have any four in there.
Rachel Lieberman: 4:30
And to me that's kind of one of those negative sides is that I just don't socialize in the way I was taught to and I don't know that I always know exactly how I want to do that. And yeah, I was like telling my husband like I, yeah, I just feel I feel like I don't have friends, like I feel really isolated and alone. And he was like that's so weird because I just view you as like having everything, like I would never think that yeah, which is really really nice. But I was like no, if you really watch, cause he has tons of friends, he's a fourth line before yeah he shares the like.
Rachel Lieberman: 5:06
His hobby is aligned really well with where we live. You know, he can just meet a neighbor and they're into cycling and they're going to buy our friends, our friends, exactly. So for him it's, it's a, it's different, maybe a little bit easier in some ways. Uh, but I was like I just feel alone, like I did a lot of crying about it, I would would say yeah.
Vaness Henry: 5:25
Derek is kind of like Alan. He's the six two but he golfs three times a week and so he's always just placed with people and so he's always interacting with people. He's definitely like made friends that way and has like little golf crews. But I'm not, I'm not doing that, I'm not doing that, I'm not going out and golfing and I also would hate being paired with strangers Like I did that whole thing.
Vaness Henry: 5:46
That's just like. That's just not like my ideal situation, but what I tried to prioritize this year was then if your friends are scattered all over the world, save up, make the plan, go see them, and so I felt like this year, boop, boop, boop, I went and saw the friends that I needed to see.
Vaness Henry: 6:01
It was kind of a friend to season, kind of going out and spacing out and seeing everybody. And then, like when jazz and her family came out this summer, they stayed with us, they were in our house. That was intense and also awesome. But I had a big come down of like homesick feeling when they left and that's like that's not a usual feeling that I have, but I am familiar with it because when I travel and like leave Derek, sometimes I get that homesick feeling Cause I'm just so plugged into this guy and his defined G I like just latch on and it's been. I've been with him every single day for years.
Vaness Henry: 6:37
So, he and I also talked about more separation between us and going and having our own lives. But after, like all my friend, adventures were done for the year, I had quite the come down. And then that's when the negative self-talk started coming in and like harder on myself and that feeling of loneliness and isolation and then kind of going and researching other people in their thirties, forties, you know kind of where I am and they're all kind of like that.
Vaness Henry: 7:06
Yeah, my sister-in-law came out, she just turned 40 and she was like I have no friends. I went back to see, like my college friends. She's like, but we don't have anything in common anymore. Like now that I'm with them and I see them, it's like what am I doing? And she's like so I'm just with my husband and they don't have children, they travel the world together, they are in kind of have real estate and she's still like it's not really enough. And I was like I relate to you, you know, and I I have the kid and I get into that and I'm not globetrotting in the way that she is. But I felt so is this just what happens? Yeah, is this just what it is? Does everyone feel this way? Cause I always felt like my mom had friends around my whole life.
Vaness Henry: 7:46
My parents always were like kind of surrounded by friends, but I also grew up in a small town, so everybody kind of you know, knew each other and going to such a new city, I've never like got into the kind of community stuff here, I guess I would say. But I have kind of made the commitment of this is where I want to be, at least until my kid is in grade six, because that's what his school goes up to. And I thought once, after that he's done that, I'm open to doing whatever. And I was like do I want to go to Italy? Do I want to go to Austria? I'm Austrian. So I was like maybe I want to go. Do you know, maybe I want to live somewhere foreign.
Vaness Henry: 8:23
But as I started to entertain that I started to feel really committed to the land and where I live. Now, as soon as I started to entertain, maybe I'll leave, I was like, no, I don't want to do that. I live in like my personal paradise, yeah. And then ever since that, I like maybe been a little nicer to my neighbors but like there's all these new people moving around, cause it's getting more developed here. So now I'm like good morning, like when I'm walking my dog, whereas like let me tell you, I could like pass people on the street and I don't acknowledge them.
Rachel Lieberman: 8:52
You know what I mean.
Vaness Henry: 8:53
Like, I'm like don't bug me, don't talk to me, I don't care. But then now I'm like I'll give them a little nod, I'll give them a little hi. And so every time someone's on the street now and it is like before 12, I try to be like good morning hoping, be in really different places. You know, some people are child free, some people are super mired in with their kids.
Rachel Lieberman: 9:33
That can be very hard to bring together. That's what I've noticed with a lot of my friends and also work. You know, this is probably the time where people are the most like yeah, dedicated to building their career, like really crucial time for that.
Vaness Henry: 9:45
So I think that work. You know, this is probably the time where people are the most like yeah, right dedicated to building their career like really crucial time for that.
Rachel Lieberman: 9:48
So I think that contributes to a lot of it. But I did have to. So you know I gave myself grace in that situation, but I did have to to to look, you know, within and be like I can see the ways I have also contributed to my situation. I'm the problem, yeah, I'm like. I'm like, oh yeah. So back at when I turned 30, when all of a sudden, overnight, I was basically like married and had a stepchild, all of a sudden, which literally happened to me overnight.
Rachel Lieberman: 10:19
then there were probably some texts. I did not, uh, return to some people who probably would have, like you know, wanted to spend time with me and I just, I think I just wasn't seeing it that way at that time. But I can understand how, if I was not showing up for things and responding and whatever people drop you and then, of course, now that I want to get back in touch with those people, I can't expect them to just right welcome me back in right away.
Vaness Henry: 10:46
So I think my issue is like, after, like I'm in another seven year deconditioning cycle, you know, and I feel like when I went through that first round, I really did parsing through my relationships, like I really, you know, I've had quite a bit of grief and realizing I had some shitty relationships that I, you know, I kind of feel like this is my own ego, okay, but as the ego manifestor, defined heart person that's where my power comes from I sometimes feel like you can't take advantage of me, you can't fuck with me, like I feel, you know, and I tell myself that in my head, and then you know, therapy, tarot readings, any kind of little things I engage with, kind of point out to me that you know, you have maybe put up with things in relationships that you shouldn't have to and it was like, oh, and maybe that you are taking advantage of their mistreated, but in my head you can't do that to me, you know, and I kind of overlooked myself, I guess, you know, and I kind of overlooked myself, I guess.
Vaness Henry: 11:44
So, in realizing I had, you know, not that the other people in these relationships were the problem, I definitely contributed to the dynamic and I take responsibility for my role in those.
Vaness Henry: 11:56
But you know, once you realize we don't resonate we're not clicking or all we have in common is the past and you're not seeing me for who I am now. I am definitely one who put distance between and then, through my studies, my friendships now are so deep, like they're so fulfilling. But they're digital, yeah, and it is just different when you're in aura and when you're you know it just is. And so now, because I have that depth in my relationships to meet someone in like my city, I can feel we don't connect, so I don't even want to bother.
Rachel Lieberman: 12:31
Like. Do you know what I?
Vaness Henry: 12:32
mean so. I find it's actually harder to make. Like I can be polite and superficially, like you know, small talk for sure, but when I want to have that in-depth heart to heart on something, yeah, it's a smaller yeah, and I do feel like four quarters are better than a hundred pennies. But I am surprised because what happens when I'm 60? Yeah, like am I going to what's? You know what am I going to be? I hope I'm surrounded by a community, but I'm also fine with traveling the globe like and seeing my people.
Rachel Lieberman: 13:03
That's the thing is. As you know, in the Aquarian age, friendships are going to look different too. But I mean, what do you? How do you think environment plays into this? Because I just had a conversation with someone, like an hour ago, another human design person about who's also kitchens. Because for me, I actually I'm OK with the heart to heart people being far away, but sometimes I just want someone to go out with. They don't have to be a perfect match and we don't have to have a heart to heart, you're such a third line.
Vaness Henry: 13:30
You're such a third line. Yeah, it's like cake. You want to go party, you want to go hit a club? It's third line, it's kitchens.
Rachel Lieberman: 13:35
I've got a lot of that third line energy in me, so that I think that's actually where I was, like I mean, you know, that can be a little superficial too, because it's like, well, I'll try to get these people in my past back here where, during the time where I was having an intense spiritual awakening, I didn't want to talk to them about that. But now I just want to go out and have a coffee and like walk the dog, but but I think I realized that that actually matters too. Like I do want people to do that kind of thing with, because it's also really nice to just experience something together. You don't have to be connecting on every single level.
Vaness Henry: 14:12
You're so yeah, you're so right. Yeah, and your reflector neighbor moved away too right, like your, your buddy who is next door, yeah, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 14:19
So change up in the, in the environment. I think kitchens people have the most, and maybe valleys too, you know, but kitchens people have such a connection to community, like just as much as their craft, because that's the most mutative environment. If the community isn't clicking and let's say the craft is clicking but the community isn't the craft isn't as good, because it does matter who you can collaborate with, who you can go grab a coffee with. Yeah so, but you have just joined the Soho house, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know what this was, can you?
Rachel Lieberman: 14:53
refresh. Can you refresh me? Yeah, it's basically a social club for creatives, so you have to apply to join. The other thing that's really nice about that is that it's gotten a lot of criticism. In Portland, this exists. This started in London 30 years ago. It exists in New York. There's a Sex and the City episode about it where Samantha tends to be Annabelle Bronstein. Yeah, you know, you know. On the pool on the roof. Yeah, the fake card Great episode. Exactly, they're all over the world okay. But what's nice about it being members only? Even though in portland, where people don't like exclusive fancy rich people things, it's gotten a lot of okay uh criticism, but those people are never going to join anyway, so whatever.
Rachel Lieberman: 15:38
But they make sure that it's a really diverse group of people and in a city where it's it's like the whitest city in the US I would say like the whitest big city, it's actually like the most diverse space I've been in here. So that is really awesome and also really appeals, just on many levels. So it's yeah, it's like you can work out there, you can swim in the pool this, this is so good.
Vaness Henry: 16:03
Yeah, it is literally the kitchen season, like going into fall. It's like now I've got my kitchen that I can go, cause you so much of your work. You're isolated, you're in your office, you're making your art. You're, you stay in your little studio.
Rachel Lieberman: 16:14
Right.
Vaness Henry: 16:14
But especially for a kitchens person to be able to go plug into that kind of neutral conditioning fields. That would be. A social club Like that is literally ideal, Exactly. I'm excited to see what happens to you and how you feel. So like. What are some things?
Rachel Lieberman: 16:29
you've participated in so far. I've gone to a book club. I was going to go to just like a social the other night, but then I had a family thing, but that's kind of the stuff that they have. I've just gone there and worked. I'm going to go like a a yoga class I would love they have like workout classes every day.
Rachel Lieberman: 16:47
It's kind of interesting. They actually don't. They don't want people just on their on their laptops all the time, so there's whole areas where you cannot have your laptop. The point is to just be there and be present and be socializing. You can bring three guests at any time for free. They don't have to be members. Yeah, not for everything, but for like, the socializing and restaurant Cue me flying out be like hi the pool.
Rachel Lieberman: 17:14
Oh yeah, no, it's gonna happen, and you can't take pictures. No pictures allowed in the whole place, which also is really nice, Like it's cool.
Rachel Lieberman: 17:25
Yeah, one. It's to protect people's identities or, you know, of course, famous people or whatever come to these, especially in new york and la, just to, to be, yeah, in a safe space. That's not so much portland, I don't know. I don't know what famous people we have here that you know, but it's actually really nice because you don't feel pressured to be taking a picture of yourself yeah, no one else is taking pictures around you and just doing it for the gram. It's like everyone can just be present and it's really nice. Breath of fresh air.
Rachel Lieberman: 17:57
It is, yeah, and at first it's like, oh, there's rules, and like, yeah, my husband and Aquarius, he feels like he was like rules, I was like, yeah, but I love the rules, like I feel like they, they all have a point to them and it's 100, a certain type of environment, it's a vibe. I think we're going to be seeing more of that as as we move into the Aquarian age, because sometimes you have to put membership or parameters or rules around a certain niche to create like a safe space or a good like a coherent vibe and the point of those are to keep certain people out.
Rachel Lieberman: 18:33
Yes, Right yeah.
Vaness Henry: 18:34
That's the point. It's like oh, it's not, it's feeling too exclusive and like that's, that's the whole point. It's kind of I wasn't super familiar with it, but it's reminded me of the wing. Do you remember that?
Rachel Lieberman: 18:44
Yeah, yeah, it's very similar.
Vaness Henry: 18:46
Female focused, but I know they had closed down a little more work focused.
Rachel Lieberman: 18:50
Okay, it was more like co-working, social somewhat, but, yeah, a little bit more like a daytime thing, whereas this is like they have parties that go till you know 1am I think it's open that late almost every night. So, okay that go till you know 1 am I think it's open that late almost every night, so okay, yeah, the wing is a very similar thing and I'm actually kind of surprised that something like the wing went under in this day.
Vaness Henry: 19:11
Do you know the story?
Rachel Lieberman: 19:12
there I do somewhat okay. I mean, I think covid was the final nail in the coffin on that, of course, but it was. It was a lot of backlash around the white female founders that just weren't in that leadership place to make it a truly good space for everybody, whereas at this, at least this Soho House, I would say it's like the people who are running it are maybe half black and half white.
Rachel Lieberman: 19:47
It are maybe half black and half white. It's, it's actually. Yeah, it's, it's really. It's good because it's also. They also have a majorly discounted membership for people who are like under 27 okay, so they're just trying to get a full, like a truly diverse crowd in every way, and it seems to be working. You know, you're seeing people of all ages, disabilities, race, gender, like it's. It's a good spot. So as long as you have the right people, sort of curating who's in there, then it works.
Rachel Lieberman: 20:16
That's cool, and it has this 30 years whatever behind it right, they, yeah, they know what works and what doesn't, so I want to hear a little bit about then, cause you're kind of my go-to numerology person.
Vaness Henry: 20:26
You're going into a two-year, you're in it.
Vaness Henry: 20:28
Now I'm going into a seven. Okay, what do these mean? What do we need to know? What do we need to know for this year? Like this is when my year end is. This is the start of my new year. So I'm kind of like setting up 2025, even though I know we're still 2024, but I'm kind of this is my January. You know, cause, whenever my I think forever and wherever your birthday is, that's when your year begins. That's your numerology year and I'm I I think seven is a little bit more introspective compared to the six, if I'm just thinking about what I know about it, but I'm not sure what to expect and I don't know about the two either.
Rachel Lieberman: 21:02
Open my little guide, open your little guide so that I hit all the points. Yeah, the two-year this is my second cycle that I'm aware of these, which is kind of fun. That's cool. You can look at what you did in the past. Hey, I don't know that. I knew about this quite in my two year, but it was a little bit after. But the two year is fairly relationship based. It's a little different from the six, but it's like healing emotion, basically like what you can learn about yourself through relationships. I would say.
Vaness Henry: 21:40
Is that feeling?
Rachel Lieberman: 21:41
resonant would say is that feeling resonant or is that feeling?
Vaness Henry: 21:42
like. Can you see how that's going to play out? Or?
Rachel Lieberman: 21:43
perhaps? Yes, because I feel like feeling in your own life. I feel like these always hit a few months before, so it doesn't at all surprise me that I spent July and August really thinking about this topic. Yeah, that had not been a topic for me in a long time, if anything, relationships and that type of thing it was kind of more about and this kind of sounds terrible. But I'm a one three, I'm a self-centered, naturally person of just making sure that relationships and time with people were not interfering with my inner processes. There was a lot of that, a lot of kind of you were describing, culling a lot of things out that just did not feed me living my purpose and my true self. But yeah, like your second year, you can experience like disappointment or deception in relationships, losing yourself in others.
Vaness Henry: 22:36
Oh God, I feel terrified. It can be really well, this is negative. I hate the negative. I'm like, oh no, I was going to picture this. I know this is for you, but now I'm thinking, oh my God, great, what's going to be my negatives that are going to freak me out.
Rachel Lieberman: 22:47
Sorry, continue, we'll get, we'll get. It's kind of, yeah, it's just a very, it's like a very sensitive, open, like time. The element is water. You know, it's just that type of energy and when I think back to the last second year I had, it was like the.
Rachel Lieberman: 23:06
The one year was the beginning of my big spiritual awakening, right, and the set the second year was, uh, 100 percent, when I did like, is that with alan? Yeah, alan came in, yeah, yeah, it was like when I did my deepest emotional healing and it was just through encountering all these different people, bad and good, and having them sort of mirror these things inside me. And yeah, I did a lot. Yeah, it's when I started making art and just being very serious in my kind of spirituality, spending a lot of time by myself. So a lot of time by myself but also a lot of time with others. So it was kind of like this balance and when I was with myself, it's like I was processing what these relationships were showing me. So I can definitely see that coming. It's a very I am not. I have not been in that energy in a very long time, so it will be really interesting remind me how we calculate this reach like how do I find out what my is?
Rachel Lieberman: 24:04
it just like adding up my birthday and how do I do that again, yeah, it's your birthday plus the current year, so I basically do like september 26, 1988 plus 2024 yeah, but separate all the digits out, so nine plus two plus six plus one, yeah, right, okay, let's do whatever. I personally view it that it starts on your birthday, so like, even though you know we're born at the end of the year. So, even though these are our numbers for 2024, it's's not January 1st 2024. It would be our birthday, 2024.
Vaness Henry: 24:38
Some people do it based on the Gregorian calendar, but to me that doesn't totally make sense, you know since we've been friends, like this has become like an annual thing you and I do together kind of review together and I always like I really connect with what you said about like a couple months before the birthday I feel almost like a graduation energy or something. Like there is something shifting and I do want to hear more about the seven year. But just again, based on what I know about that introspection and maybe a little bit more of a spiritual personally spiritual year, I feel like the months leading up to my birthday has already been like like I've been doing a big kind of cleanse and detox like no stimulants, no cannabis, none of these things Like I I get like disgusted by. I usually do things for a season a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot and then all of a sudden I reach a point and it disgusts me and I I kind of cancel everything and start fresh and as I've been doing that, there's been so much coming up and out like about me as a parent, about me as an individual, me and my relationship and and for the past couple of years too, derek and I have really been grappling with like boredom and even I've noticed like I will reach for cannabis because I'm fucking bored and I'm like, well, I don't want to think about anything, I guess.
Vaness Henry: 26:02
And so then that was really confronting to realize I was doing that, or I noticed I would have like a really challenging emotion and I would just go sit on my balcony and vape and then it would totally dispel my anger, I would get my thoughts, would be cleared. But I'm not really dealing with what's going on, I'm totally just numbing out. And then that, over summer for sure, became a pattern, an intense pattern that was, I felt, embarrassing. You know, like I'm like nothing will have a power over me.
Rachel Lieberman: 26:29
And so then I'm like whole turkey nothing, stimulants out, everything gone.
Vaness Henry: 26:32
Like you know, I get very intense and I've been in that for a bit now, and red bull no fuck, no, nothing like that's what I mean.
Vaness Henry: 26:39
No, every all those, all the things that I love, disgust me and, um, I've had a really challenging appetite, like I've had lots of nausea and really low appetite, and then that can kind of psych me out. Sometimes that's been getting a little bit better, but as I've been experimenting with that, I have and I've been going through this big detox. Every three hours or so I do need to be eating and I'm feeling really picky about what I want to eat, so I'm just kind of letting it do what it wants to do. And now I'm, my shape is changing. I have weight that falls off easily when I kind of get into these phases, but I'm wanting.
Vaness Henry: 27:21
Well, okay, the big thing that's been going on with me leading up to this and I'm seeing how this might connect to my new year here is I don't feel I've really truly recovered from some of the traumas that I've experienced, specifically getting sick.
Vaness Henry: 27:39
I feel like I remember my body being able to do things and when I would like compete or go all in on something, I would win.
Vaness Henry: 27:46
Like it's like I'm going all in and I'm going to win, I'm locked in, let's compete, let's go and, after getting sick, going into remission, trying to go do those things and really not being able to and having that mind fuck of like uh, this, I can usually do this. I just stopped trying and I've just stopped trying in so many areas of my life because if I can't compete at that level I'm used to, I'm not even going to do it. So I've been really working on my heart health and figuring out well, how do I get into my like fat burning zone, which is about 140 beats per minute for me right now. But anytime I do anything physical I just go to zone five. It just puts me in the danger zone right away, so it feels like I can't do anything. So I've been experimenting with finding out what puts me in my sweet spot of that 140 BPM and it's literally just walking.
Vaness Henry: 28:48
It's literally just going for a slow walk and my husband will come with me and he's like, oh, my heart's only at 90. Yeah, he's like it's cool for me to see how hard your body works just to keep up with me. He's like that really puts things into perspective with me. So, as I've slowed down and not been a fucking bad out of hell like I'm used to being, I have noticed my heart health improve. But it only improves if I slow down and be patient. All I want to do is go fast. Yeah, so there's this weird inner discipline I'm having to cultivate at this time in my life and it's making me a little bit more Reserved. But I can see how it's pulling me inward for a different kind of self-understanding now, Because I actually do want to slow down enough to actually heal what I've never healed or recover from what I've never kind of recovered from. On that note, what do I need to know about seven? What do I need to know about this going?
Rachel Lieberman: 29:43
forward. First let's review the challenges of six see if that's what you went through okay, this is our, uh, these are our different head ajna channels meeting because your future and I'm past. Right Channel of logic, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 29:58
Extraction. Okay, wait, but if anybody is listening to this and they're like, I want her little guide. Is that available to get anymore? Yeah, it's on my website.
Rachel Lieberman: 30:05
In my shop your website? Yeah, in your shop A numerology guide? Yeah, it'll say it's like guides and products.
Vaness Henry: 30:11
Six I want you to know like all of us reference this. I'm glad I'll reach out to jazz or canton or what's your year and we'll like go. We'll go pull up your pdf and be like looking at what we have to do.
Rachel Lieberman: 30:21
I reference it too. I highly recommend it. Yeah, I know that's why I made it, because, yeah, there's like a lot. I have all the books, but it's too much it's too much, I know.
Vaness Henry: 30:31
Yeah, I love it. Just give me the distilled keynotes. What do I need to know? So what? What do I? What do I have to process about the six?
Rachel Lieberman: 30:38
Well, I, I'm just curious, Cause like you're already done with it. So let's, we'll take some of the charge out of the challenges, cause they're always okay, they're natural. You're so right, you're such a fucking vessel of love. Okay, give it to me, I'm ready. Well, let's see if you, if you, resonate with these. Okay, resisting responsibility, I feel like you kind of just said that. Like you like numbing out on the stuff instead of feeling the emotion, or something like that.
Vaness Henry: 31:02
And well, you know what, yeah, and my kid is such a teacher for me in that but also I had to okay, whoa, I can't. This came about in a way that shirking responsibility is that kind of the energy, yeah, or just resisting it, my fucking finances.
Vaness Henry: 31:18
So, I have a finance background, I know how all these things work, but I don't do it and I was always trying to pass it off to my husband to be responsible for. But I, even with my design, even my background, I know it should be me, but I didn't want to and he's so I was like Tim, I don't know why I'm doing this. He's like well, maybe because your soul was crushed when you worked in finance and I was like, oh sure Would do it. You know what I mean.
Vaness Henry: 31:44
So what I have been doing over summer, june, july, august, september has been every Monday I sit down, I go everything that was spent and I allocate it where it's to, where it should go, and setting budgets and giving Derek and I like certain spending money or I've started giving my kid an allowance and you know things like that and just getting like a zoomed out scope. And that really only started in the last quarter, like leading up to my birthday, when that energy was shifting. Yeah, I was avoiding that, like I just didn't want to get organized. But something that happened this year was like I'm ready for a different kind of financial security. I'm in my mid thirties, I need to be thinking about the future and where I allocate my money, because when I went to the roof, we just liquidated everything.
Rachel Lieberman: 32:33
Yeah, like we just like nothing at house.
Vaness Henry: 32:35
Investments, everything gone start over, which I think can happen to six lines Like we're late bloomers. We start again and I'm okay with being delayed because I know that I can have big moments and make large chunks of money where all of a sudden I can do things you know. So I've had to get like more conservative with my financial plan, and that's been something. I've had to get like more conservative with my financial plan and that's been something I've been resisting because I'm very bad for fuck it, I want it, I'm buying it, I can always make more money, yeah, and I'll go get that money and I'll go figure it out, but I don't.
Vaness Henry: 33:08
But it's stressful, yeah, yeah. And as I've been on my little health journey, working with my health team oh, my God, I finally have a doctor. I haven't had a doctor here in fucking four years, excuse me. Anyways, I've just been getting more organized, I guess, in health, in finances, and I see that I was maybe sidestepping some responsibility in both those areas, but it's more so like I was putting my head in the sand, not wanting to deal with it, not wanting to really look at it.
Rachel Lieberman: 33:37
Yep, yep, okay, feeling heavy or burning out? I put on. Okay, no burnout.
Vaness Henry: 33:44
I'm really okay, I really figured that out. I don't burn out anymore, I can really feel that, but I put on 20 pounds. Yeah, whoa, what Whoa. So, uh. So I, the whole last year I gained weight and I wasn't doing anything different, but it came. I a lot of the realization that I had learned was there was a lot of sound pollution around me and light pollution and just where I, where I was living, and everything the construction around me. That I was always kind of a little bit bracing, but I did not realize it at the time. And so now that I've kind of I've relocated to the quieter side of the resort, it's just my weight's falling off me. So it's like, okay, that's really real for me. My husband and I get really dysregulated from that and I just need to accept that the heaviness isn't just physically but emotionally as well.
Rachel Lieberman: 34:34
There was like heaviness, a sadness that would that would like deeply sad about shit like deeply sad, so that's very resonant, an internal and external heaviness for sure okay, I think I just moved over to the seven and I think, hey, you know the, I only list one challenge on this one. We won't talk about that first. Okay, so seven. I call this ebbing to flow. It is I I think of it as like the wizard year, like it's like a, it's like a wizard energy, or like a, like it's like a heart, like a hermity energy to the old man on the mountain. Love that. So it's like retreating, introsrospection, meditation, ease, spirituality quests, personal development. It's like that classic kind of you know stuff that we're all into, that's our vibe, but there's also like a lot of mental energy around it, a lot of studying, contemplating, understanding.
Vaness Henry: 35:31
Okay, I love that that's my wheelhouse. But over this year I have noticed a shift in my work, in being a little bit braver about my shamanic side, and especially with my training that I had released last year, and being like you know what? This is how I fucking see it and these are the patterns I noticed here, the signs and symptoms. That's not classic human design, yeah, but I wanted to. Just this is what I see, this is what I track. It's weird, isn't it? And then people are like that is weird. And then when I share it, people relate to it. But I get nervous sharing anything new because there's always going to come be people who attack me and I'm just, I just don't even want to deal with that because I'm so sensitive for stuff like that. But I have felt fuller in my heart with my shamanic work and my private mentorship and my work with cancer patients Like I'm. I'm realizing some things. So that was a big reason why I created my training last year, because I wanted to establish myself differently in my variable work, cause that's such a. The human design body graph is essential to what I do as a shamanic practitioner. That's the. That's like the x-ray that I use to deeply and intimately understand the individual. My shamanic work has deepened thanks to human design, you know. But I've been trying to figure out how do I position myself as the shamanic practitioner whose tool, whose tools are, you know, feng Shui, human design, astrology, without being such a I don't know.
Vaness Henry: 37:04
Over this year I think people really started to view me as a variable resource. I started to hear that a lot, so I just claimed that. I just kind of put that in my bio. Sure, you can come to me and that's what we're doing here, cause I'm not really interested in the other parts of the of the study anymore. Um, this is where I am because of where my work has kind of taken me. I've already done this deconditioning cycle, but I'm still here because there I see something weird here and that's what I follow. I don't ever really know where I'm going, but I follow the question, I ask the question, I get a weird data, I ask, I keep going, I move, kind of like that.
Vaness Henry: 37:39
So this shamanic hermit year of like studying, I can really see that I've had opportunities to. I ended up declining, but I was approached for like ghostwriting and writing these books on a book on grief, and it ended up not working out and writing these books on a book on grief and it ended up not working out. But I was open to the idea, like I could. I'm a writer, trained writer and I didn't even realize like I have a ghost writing past. That came up again and I was like I could be on the roof, totally out of the public eye, writing for other people, like writing behind their name and getting paid, yeah, and nobody even sees me and I don't have to deal with the conflict of like what people think about the book and you know what I mean and not have to do everything on social media, which I think is quite coveted for a lot of people at this stage.
Vaness Henry: 38:29
Rachel, I find social media is getting really hard for me.
Rachel Lieberman: 38:31
That's because the entire thing has turned into a big ad. It is yeah.
Vaness Henry: 38:37
It's not social anymore, actually, it's not.
Rachel Lieberman: 38:39
It's like capitalism media.
Vaness Henry: 38:42
A hundred percent. What are your favorite platforms right now, or what are you using? I'm on Twitter. You're eye rolling. You're on Twitter. I'm on Twitter. I've never gone there, yeah.
Rachel Lieberman: 38:50
But I'm Twitter is a pretty good space, I think partially because it for me it's the least overstimulating because there's not a lot of video and and and photos on there. There's a bit, but really you can just see very little of that on there and I like that, that it's your first color dietary regimen too you know, like that's like simple picking out the things I like.
Rachel Lieberman: 39:13
Can't have. I become very ill when I consume too much short form video. Like I have to get rid of those apps sometimes. Sometimes, like I actually feel that TikTok is the most sort of fresh and uplifting and engrossing and positive. I've never gone and hung out there Space. There can be a lot of good stuff there. The problem is that every other video it's basically QVC Home Shopping Network now Okay, because selling things is fully integrated into the videos. So every other video you're going to see is an ad. People do a good job of entertaining you at the same time. But that, to me, is is like the real drawback to that one. But it's just too much. Too much too fast is a lot of it. So I have to take breaks from that sometimes because I just truly start to become ill. But yeah, social media is rough, I feel. I feel pretty, pretty conflicted about all of it and and a little, a little bit, worried about can I keep this up forever?
Vaness Henry: 40:18
I feel that I feel that can I if all my social media went away? It wasn't working. Like, how would I you know, I've always been really good at like SEO and putting things in the background that you don't realize that lead you to me and I have been thinking, like how slick could I get at that If, all of a sudden, everybody hated Instagram or hated Pinterest or hated YouTube? Those are my primary ones. What would I do?
Vaness Henry: 40:45
This year I've been thinking about really switching up my frequencies, like maybe it doesn't need to be every single week, maybe I can get away with some bi-weekly things or monthly things, or maybe heaven forbid, maybe I have no frequency and I just drop things when I want. You know, because I'm so strategic. I usually have a plan, but I typically will collaborate with people who will have a lot of passivity in the depths of their design and I'm always wanting to figure out how would I best support them, you know, if I come together with them and so switching up, like when I share or when I post or when I write, but it it's so much work, you know, and I want to get back to when it felt really like a creative outlet for me? Yeah, cause I do like to make beautiful graphics, I do like to make beautiful videos or edit sound. I do like to do that, but on my own timing.
Vaness Henry: 41:41
Yeah, I hate, I will really unplug for a season and you won't see me like I will. I really surrender to the hermitness, but it does affect me. Yeah, you know, I don't grow during that time. Yeah, yeah, and I, I would love to get to a place where I'm unplugged, but you would have no idea, because I've got content rolling out and but I I'm honestly just I guess not there yet or haven't figured out how to click that into place, but I am feeling like I'm ready to go to another kind of level you know, yeah, so I'm definitely considering moving to youtube, like just a lot of energy there you would kill that.
Rachel Lieberman: 42:17
I, I know I would, and I've just been, I don't know. I think there's just some, some really simple things that I need to figure out, like my computer just can't handle video editing right now, so, okay, I think, I think there's like basic tech stuff yeah, it's like a final Hail Mary of seeing if I can just like factory reset this and fix it and if not I'm just gonna have to get a new computer.
Rachel Lieberman: 42:41
But I'm trying not to be as wasteful with money and physical objects and things, so we'll see. But it's also the creativity on with this, like the short form video has really kind of taken over everything. And what I find so hard about video is even making one of those short form videos. Even if it's just you talking, it's a lot of work to edit. People are spending hours on these things.
Rachel Lieberman: 43:06
And that was that's. Maybe that's why I'm kind of drawn to Twitter, because it's so simple. You literally just write a few sentences and totally yeah, it's worked out quite well for me. But I'm starting to what about threads? Yeah, I just never really like I could just have all of that posting to threads, but like something about threads just I don't like not for you.
Vaness Henry: 43:27
Yeah, I trust that, just yeah. That just yeah, just I don't know.
Rachel Lieberman: 43:29
Listen to that, you know what I mean I know, but I, I love, I watch a lot of youtube and I think that is really the future for so many things, because it yeah it's for people who want to go a bit deeper with things. It's also a way to like hang out with someone that you've never met, who lives on the other side of the world. Like I'm watching this random girl cozy slow videos.
Vaness Henry: 43:53
Yes, like day in the light, it's so. It's so. For me it's like relaxing or something like I fucking love watching people clean or organize their house or something in there. I'm just like uh please organize your fridge for me.
Rachel Lieberman: 44:08
Like I want to watch you do that russian girl grocery shop in Russia and I'm like this is so interesting.
Rachel Lieberman: 44:14
And then make her food, and it's not even a big channel, but it's just. I'm like I could really do like create something like this, cause I watch it every single day and I think it's a really important way for just people across the world to like understand each other and share their unique whatever. And it's not like it. Yeah, what I like about it is it strips away kind of the aspirational aspect that on instagram and tiktok that's so prevalent of. It's like here's my splashy life and here's how, here's how rich I am and here's all the things that I have. Right, and of course, that stuff still does well on YouTube to an extent. But there's also this thing of like here's my completely normal basic life and people will still watch that because it's just different and the algorithm doesn't seem to really care between the two, because it's not the YouTube algorithm itself just cares about views, not so much sales, because they're not getting a cut of what you're selling in most cases. So I like that about it. It still has that kind of purity to it.
Vaness Henry: 45:21
I also like that YouTube can be monetized in a way. I've never cracked that and reached the 4000 watch hours that are needed for the year to be able to open up monetization, but I would love that. But even this year I did. We did season three of on the roof and I lost steam.
Vaness Henry: 45:40
Yeah, I lost steam and I was like I'm just going to stop, I'm just going to stop. And then I was thinking about I want to kind of segue into some projects that we're like working on this year and I have been rethinking on the roof. It's the fourth season. To me, that's kind of like okay, now it's I'm on the mountain, then I'll be in the Valley. That's how my brain works, okay.
Vaness Henry: 45:57
It's just I orient around environments. And so I've been thinking about, well, what if I just did that monthly, Like I, I did a monthly show, like you know, and then I could really just tune into whatever is going on with me and Derek, rather than playing with, like this is the generator episode or you know a human design specific thing. But then even that, I'm like, can I even devote myself to that regularity? Like should I just do it? When I want to do it, it comes out, you know, yeah, and I don't know, I'm not fully decided yet, but what are some of the things? What are some of the things that you can reveal or that you're wanting to work on this year or that are in motion?
Rachel Lieberman: 46:33
already. It's funny because I just had a meeting with my business slash marketing coach that I meet with once a month prior to this, so it's fresh. It's fresh because otherwise I have such a hard time thinking about the future. I don't know, sometimes I have a hard time like making sense of things. Yeah, but I kind of what I was talking about with her is that I don't I actually don't always know what I'm going to do, but what I have is kind of a menu of possibilities that I allow myself to respond to, which is very in alignment with being a generator. And there's a lot of things that like started this year that I never finished. Like I think last time we talked I was like I'm coming out with these guided journals. It just it's not that there's a lot more work.
Vaness Henry: 47:16
I've been working on a color palette generator for a year, Like, oh, I've been working on this and you know what I? I simplify it. It keeps getting simpler and simpler and simpler. Like I see that I started.
Rachel Lieberman: 47:35
Yes, that's what's happening to me. Yes, I process the timing because I was like there's just something that's telling me that this isn't quite the time and that can be frustrating, because I feel like I'm like I put a lot of time and effort and money into this, so it would be nice to like sell it and get a return on it, but I've really come to exactly trust the timing on it because then, a few months later or like as the months went on, I was shown. This needs to be simpler. Me too. It shouldn't be what two pages. This should be one page me too exactly shouldn't take 10 minutes.
Rachel Lieberman: 48:01
It should take three minutes, you know it's like or five. So, yeah, just learning to trust that instead of just pushing it out and trying to get it out there is so much better. So, yeah, there's been a lot of that and yeah, like I, I've been building a library of content to be able to provide an on demand partnership report of you and another person.
Vaness Henry: 48:22
I love that. Yeah, you've been working on that for a while too. It's a lot of them.
Rachel Lieberman: 48:27
So yeah, I took, I took the summer, the summer off or the like, july and August off pretty much. I'm doing a few more right now just because it was.
Vaness Henry: 48:36
I needed to just focus my energy elsewhere and it was pretty time consuming, but I took summer off from my private mentorship as well, because I get really emotionally involved with whoever I work with privately and I I do that three seasons out of the year and I really felt like I needed this season to be. I can't work with anyone, I need to just. And I also was wondering about my swelling up this year and getting heavier. I was plugged into a lot of private clients this year and there was heavy stuff going on and I can be. I have to learn more about that, about myself, because I will absorb what you're experiencing. I will absolutely go through it with you. I'm that amoeba. We're in this together, let's go, but I hang on to it. It does stay in me and I have had to really kind of reflect on how do I get this out of me.
Vaness Henry: 49:27
So a couple of weeks ago I got into a spat with Derek and don't want to go do my usual sit on the balcony and numb out with my cannabis. So I went downstairs to go do my VR, because I'm going to go box and punch the shit out of something that's going to make me feel better, you know. But he had just used it and it was covered in sweat and it was soaked, so I just burst out crying because I couldn't, because I didn't. Now I didn't know what to do and so I ended up I just put on one of my soundtracks, one of my inner expeditions, and I went for a half hour walk and I bawled the whole time and I felt so clear when I came home.
Vaness Henry: 50:01
Yeah, when jazz was out, she got frustrated, a lot like with her kids or what you know available or not available, and I felt she was a little bit fried and she'd been traveling months, you know, and I was really observing her and her generator-ness and she would all of a sudden be like I'm going to go, and she would go do a super hard workout and she'd be dripping and she'd come back in and she'd be clear and she did this a few times. So I was inspired by that and I thought, okay, I don't know what to do now. I'm upset, none of my things I would do are available. I saw jazz do this, so I'm going to go do it and it really worked well for me.
Vaness Henry: 50:50
So what I've been experimenting with is when that peak emotion does come it, because I'm hanging on to everyone's stuff and I'm swelling up in my body, and I don't mean that like I'm hanging on to my client's stuff or whatever, but like when people go through heavy things, I'm going through it with you, and if something's going on with my husband or my kid or a family member, I'm going through it with you. So what do I need to know about myself and how do I actually get that out of my body? Yeah, all while knowing I got to go slow and be patient with myself you know, Well also like sorry, go ahead.
Rachel Lieberman: 51:19
Oh, I was going to say from my perspective, you have in your design a lot of the markers of being a very sensitive person. Like to me six line. Second line receptive environment undefined solar plexus like those are undefined. Like those are all like really sensitive. You're also a very caring person, so thank you. Yeah, thank you.
Vaness Henry: 51:41
It's very nice to hear as like a high sound person I think I sound like I like a lot of information and sometimes I spew out too much information. So I'm always trying like my primary sense in my consciousness is action, so I'm always trying to like break it down so it's simple and you can digest it. But that process usually starts with like too much information. You know, and I see how that has affected me, like in my private work. I see for sure how that affects me with, like my color palette reports that I want to do it's like I'm going to give you all the information it's like they don't need that.
Vaness Henry: 52:19
I'm wanting to show the full spectrum of your design. So, Rachel, you're an appetite color. You're also a touch color. What do you need to know about that? That's the full spectrum and do that for each variable. But custom again, custom generate it. But they don't need to know all the information about that. That's why you teach. You have a variable training to go deep, like that it's like the different this is.
Rachel Lieberman: 52:42
These are kind of the two schools of human design. Stuff is you're either trying to teach human design, which a lot of people do and a lot of us maybe have done, and you're good at that, and so you can do that in one of your offerings. But then there's also and this is much more the side that I fall on and always have is the side where you're just telling people what they need to know to to experiment and live their life truly.
Rachel Lieberman: 53:06
They don't need to understand it in the context of everything and some people want to, and then but I but I kind of purposefully don't provide that, and if people really want to know, they'll reach out to me and then I can kind of give them some context, but I'm not the person to come to for that really. So, yeah, it's not my strength for a lot of reasons, but yeah, you just simply don't need it, and it's not gatekeeping or anything, it's just like what's necessary.
Vaness Henry: 53:33
What's necessary and what's not.
Rachel Lieberman: 53:34
There's stuff you have to keep out in order for the information to be effective. You can't be thinking about all these other things Sometimes. You just need to know exactly how it applies to you, and I think not doing that is what, not? Well, I guess that to me that's like the evolution of human design into this new generation generation, because the first generation was like here's how to learn all the human design info. But, as we've talked about before and observed, a lot of people who know a lot of human design info are not living their design.
Vaness Henry: 54:02
So but also, like when you go through your you know your your first seven year deconditioning cycle, you in theory, have a differentiatedated perspective. Now how are you seeing this system, how are you using it? And it is an awareness study, so you likely are studying other awareness studies. How does your background, your plethora of knowledge come and influence the way that you understand that deeply, influence how I translate variable and why I emphasize the environment variable? So much you know, but something I wanted to chat about. You triggered my memory and it's so Kitchens.
Rachel Lieberman: 54:45
Raw TV Raw.
Vaness Henry: 54:45
TV coming out. What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts?
Rachel Lieberman: 54:48
My first thought was I was very excited for them because they've just been living in this older world with that for quite a long time, with the old graphics and just the recycling of the probably the original videos from decades ago in some cases. So that's very cool. You and I talked a little bit about it.
Rachel Lieberman: 55:10
They're definitely devaluingue undervaluing they are the value of they're saying his whole library of work, which who knows if it's the whole library, but I'm assuming it's what's been available is worth $2,500. Definitely worth more than that there's no fucking way.
Vaness Henry: 55:26
I have the entire library. I own everything that you would want to ever find, and then it spills over into gene keys and into this I have a massive library. It's not $2,500.
Rachel Lieberman: 55:39
No.
Vaness Henry: 55:42
So so they're like this is valued at $2,500. I was like, is it?
Rachel Lieberman: 55:46
Yeah, no. I don't know. I felt like it's worth a lot more than that.
Vaness Henry: 55:50
Yeah, so this is not, I think, like the Jovian archive videos, which is now like that membership platform. To my understanding and I need to be fact-checked and verified here it's not the teachings that you would get through the international human design school, because those are like live teachings with licensed instructors and things, but this is just the videos he's done with, like he he did so many creative projects of like trying to connect with people over like his 25 year exploration of this. That's all what you can get. Yeah, I definitely want to subscribe to check it out to see what it is haven't but.
Rachel Lieberman: 56:27
I I don't think it's available, yet it's not quite available.
Vaness Henry: 56:29
Yeah, oh yeah, right at the time of our conversation, it's not. But when this comes out, yeah, it will be, it be, it will be. So hopefully I'll have poked around then. But I have all the content. I don't need it for the content, I already own it. But I do just like to see how people put things together.
Rachel Lieberman: 56:43
Well, yeah, this is our game. We got to see. I love I have to see what other people are doing Totally.
Vaness Henry: 56:48
I like personal view going to transfer to power. I'm like, ah, what is everybody doing? So I like my power of you. Friends, go tell me and then I can be like Ooh, but overall, the part that I okay, so the part that I really liked about this, you know I've shared with you before Roz oldest son, loki, I'm very interested in because I always think about how he must feel. Yeah, always looking at this content of his dad or people have such strong opinions of his dad. He also looks. He's the spitting image of him. He's like a young, handsome version of the dad. It's crazy. They sent out this nice letter like from him. Yeah, I thought that was so smart, like I'm his oldest son. Here's a picture of our family. We really value this work. Here's what we're deciding to do. We're so excited about it. I was like good for you guys.
Rachel Lieberman: 57:35
I have another question. I've always wondered if he felt pressured to continue this, and is this his passion Same? I don't know his design. I know that at least one of his kids is a generator. I'm almost positive he has mentioned the designs of both of his. Does he have two kids or three? I can't remember.
Vaness Henry: 57:54
I want to say three but again, I need to be fact-checked. I know he might be from numerous marriages or something Again fact-check me.
Rachel Lieberman: 58:01
That is possible, but maybe not. I know he's mentioned these, but like all raw things, it's not just explicitly in one place, it's hidden in some lecture.
Vaness Henry: 58:12
Easter egg yeah, it's not just explicitly in one place, it's hidden in some lecture.
Rachel Lieberman: 58:14
easter egg, yeah, well, yeah, I know the variable depths of the kids because I know, he uses a lot of example, like he was a calm eater but his son was nervous yeah, maybe that was where I was reading those recently, but I think he has mentioned he's talked about you know him being a manifester around generators, so I know at least one of his kids is a generator. Um, but I don, I don't know what the hell would that feel like?
Vaness Henry: 58:38
Imagine he's your dad, he's passed, so there's the devastation in that. He's a manifestor dad, so who knows what he was actually like as a parent, you know? Yeah, but he obviously is going to have a profound impact on the kid and the family. Like, how did Loki come step on? I would, I would. I'm so curious about that guy. Let me tell you, I'm so curious about this guy and he's like so hidden. So when he started to like show himself and there was photography, I was like, oh shit, it's happening. The prodigal son is here. You know what I mean.
Rachel Lieberman: 59:05
Like what's he gonna do. I will say it really caught my eye too because it made me think have I seen a picture of this person before? I didn't think through. It was like I almost felt like I had, but then I was like I don't think I have. I hadn't and I've looked. Yeah, so it it definitely. It feels like it's very well thought out. It's very very strategic. There's very strategic. There's intention behind lots of intention.
Vaness Henry: 59:33
I'm just here, I'm just an echo chamber right now, yeah.
Rachel Lieberman: 59:35
Yeah, it's funny. Like I, I picked up on all of that, even if I didn't like fully process it at the time. It's calculated. It's calculated but it feels aligned in that way. Yeah.
Vaness Henry: 59:47
So I was just I was excited about the whole thing. You know like, like I said, it caught my eye. I was like we're ready for this Good for you.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:00:00
You know, human design is expanded in such a way Like we're ready for this and also realistically, their entire library of stuff is available for free online. It is.
Vaness Henry: 1:00:07
It is.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:00:07
And I'm sure that's a problem for them. It has to be because I, you know, I really respect people's knowledge things that they're selling. Cause that's a problem for them, it has to be because I, you know, I really respect people's knowledge things that they're selling, because that's the business I'm in. But I've always my library isn't super ethical. The way I got all my stuff not my entire one either, because people had stuff out there- that where you could just like on Facebook and stuff.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:00:29
I don't know that that's out there anymore, but sometimes I felt that the Jovian Archives site did not do a good job of letting you know what was in something I could not figure out if what I was looking for was there, so I would go find it somewhere else and be like, is this even what I want? Yeah, so I hope that solves that problem for them, because they deserve to to be prospering off of his materials, but they need to find a way to do it that just works for everybody. You know still appeals and still works for them too.
Vaness Henry: 1:00:59
In regard to this family, my own curiosity I'm putting Loki around 40, late 30s, early 40s, yeah, and the information I could dig up on this person, the background was in kind of production, perhaps the performative arts. He would do a lot of documentaries. He did a lot of the filming in Ra's early days. So it seems like he was kind of always around very hidden, very behind the scenes and you asked a good question like does he want to do this?
Vaness Henry: 1:01:27
It's like what is the story there. I would love if they put out something that was just, I don't know, intimate. That would maybe humanize raw, humanize the family. They want to do eye support, but you know what I mean. I think they're so interesting now that it would be cool to hear about them. And I don't know the balls to ever reach out? I wouldn't.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:01:47
I'm like like that sounds so scary to me, especially because I do feel that there could be some tension behind those of us who are doing this absolutely rogue and the official, whatever, and I feel that they've always hidden behind that organization to the to the extent of threatening to sue certain people here, and there, not not so much in the us or north america, but in europe.
Vaness Henry: 1:02:11
Do that anymore because it was what happened. Yeah, it was what happened. Yeah, it was considered like an astrology. Human design was considered like an astrology. They couldn't actually own the rights to it, or something.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:02:19
They can't own a system. That's what. That's what it was, yeah, so eventually that ended, but they were going after very small people and it always yeah, yeah, it rubs they were really really living behind that, like the estate, the organization, and so having a face to it is really different. I think it's smart. So it's definitely smart because that that is the to me. Ironically, the estate or the institution is old paradigm.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:02:51
I agree, and now everything is everyone's face on their cell phone, like broadcasting to the world you don't want to you. You can't be super successful if you're hiding. It's your personal brand. So they kind of have to brand this differently if they're going to attract just younger people, newer people but they are branding it differently there's been some big shifts.
Vaness Henry: 1:03:14
It looks good it looks really good like whatever they've been doing. I'm on board, I'm, I'm all, I'm all for it. It's they've shifted it for sure. New generation coming in switching it up. Love that I would be I would be curious if they if they'll uh collaborate with anybody I, I know who, maybe that maybe by the time this comes out they'll have, but I don't know what's going to happen.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:03:37
Like would they collaborate with those of us who are, you know, doing this on our own and like it, because I feel that a lot of these systems they collaborate with people, but it's always smaller people, people who are very obedient and what a word loyal to them, only never wanting to outgrow them. That's the feeling I get. Um, these are probably thoughts that I would only share in a safe space like this, not not out to the wider internet.
Vaness Henry: 1:04:05
The only people that are coming to mind who are like classically trained. I know travis day kitchens guy one three projector classically trained. And Kelsey Rose tort, uh, manifestor, emotional manifestor five two classically trained, cause I know they've both done like living your design training. You can find them listed on the website. But as far as like most of our peers and colleagues, no, I know, like Amy Lee and I, once we're chatting um cause we were talking about like maybe we should go back and take those courses just to get like we, we have the information now, but just to be like hey, take me seriously or verify me. And then where we both kind of ended up is like is that super necessary? Like do I actually want to do that? And for her she was really showing me my heart right, my ego, like am I doing that? For like an egotistical groove, and for her, as the undefined heart you know, she was really like yeah, like I don't know and I don't like to lead with like my education or training.
Vaness Henry: 1:05:03
I like to be not an underdog, but like don't even notice me. And then I love when people come challenge me or like she doesn't know what she, like she doesn't know her shit. And then someone will, always someone who has formal studies will come and be like she's the real deal. You need to back off, yeah, you know, and I like to then go prove myself and you think I'm not anything special. That's my own sick little thing. But like I like to like, I would like I sometimes I have all the training and credibility, but I would not want you to know, I would want you to think I'm just a whatever. So like I like to hide my formal training. I don't know why, but I just I like, I don't, I don't like when it's like this, this, this this but you know, as I'm saying that, like I have my CV somewhat listed on my website.
Vaness Henry: 1:05:49
Here's my whole background, here's the things I've done, but I don't go in and tell you my like educational training.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:05:55
And it's not. That's not even really. It wouldn't be correct to do that as like a six to, doesn't feel right. So much of what you do is intuitive and embodied, so leading with that and teaching yourself right, yeah, yeah, it wouldn't be aligned, whereas you know maybe someone who, yeah, it's like someone who really is identifying with that teacher archetype, or yeah, you know first lines. That could be a bit more natural, but even then it's definitely not necessary.
Vaness Henry: 1:06:28
Let's then pivot. Let's segue Raw TV, jovian Archive, that whole place there, okay, wait, wait. Jovian Archive, though, was created because not all of us are formal classical learners, neurotypical, who can go through these classes the way they have it in their institution. So they're aware that we learn different ways and we buy different things, you know, but I like that they're. I'm inspired by the fact that they seem to be aware of the times, switching it up, creating new things. I think that's inspiring. I think they're being good leader there too. Now, when I kind of let this drip down into my own life and influence me and inspire me, I want to hear about some projects you're working on or, like I know.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:07:07
you don't always know, but what are some things if you're looking at this year.
Vaness Henry: 1:07:11
What are you?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:07:11
hoping to experience. I mean, over the last almost year although actually really it's been almost two years I've been building this library of all this information, exercises, tools, just everything a generator or manifesting generator could need to decondition and live as their true self. It's very much about that practical application. There's a lot of information in there and something that I was thinking about a minute ago when we were talking about the when is it archive stuff?
Vaness Henry: 1:07:45
when is it too much information?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:07:46
well, yeah, the thing about you and me is, even if we're not certified or whatever, we are very dedicated to always going to the source and always, to the best of our ability, sharing accurate information. So I think you know, even if we're not certified by them, you know we like to base the things that we share in. Like, I always go back to raw's material. Often I find it's missing some things that maybe I need or you know. We then take it and make it our own in terms of how you think about it or understand it or apply it, but the source is always present in the things that we share, I would say people don't give a shit whether you're certified.
Vaness Henry: 1:08:35
no, I like will say in some of my work in these areas I'll be like I'm you. You want me to show you my certificates and hey, I'm just a studier of this. I'm not certified, I'm not a licensed teacher of this. They don't care. No, the reply I get is I don't care. Will you look at me anyway, like they just want me to look at them Like they just want my perspective on whatever is going on.
Vaness Henry: 1:09:08
So that's when I, as that started happening like, as I started like kind of pushing people away and being like I'm not that.
Vaness Henry: 1:09:09
And they and the reaction was I don't care, it's you I want. It was kind of like, oh, okay. That's when I then started opening up shamanic readings yeah, okay, I'll look at you very specifically for health and wellness and illness, cause that's what I actually do. I just don't let people know that I do that. I've been doing that for 10 years. I just don't know how to publicly let you know it. Publicly. Let you know.
Vaness Henry: 1:09:27
It's a two line thing too. You know what I mean. Yeah, so as soon as I realized people don't give a shit about your certification if they like you and they like your perspective, and also you know this as people have been in this for a while, you can hear it in their content. Like you know, yeah, like it comes through or something. And it's not that they're used, it's not that everybody's using like the classic jargon and language in human design, but the way they break down a concept, the way they're looking at things, they're in their experiment, and you can feel that, and so there's like a natural trust and curiosity that kind're such a researcher of knowledge and research.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:09:55
But what I have had people ask is I think they're kind of interested in maybe starting a similar business. So they'll be like hey, did you, are you certified in this? And I'm like no, you, if you want to do this, you do not need to get certified in it, like that's not a requirement the most influential people in this like these big accounts with, like, let's say, say, 60 to 200,000 followers.
Vaness Henry: 1:10:24
None of them are certified. No nobody cares.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:10:28
Nobody cares yeah. Nobody cares, and you know there's the whole debate about some of the information getting people believe it's been watered down or blah, blah, blah. And there are, you know, once in a while people post things that are not accurate but at the same time it's like who?
Vaness Henry: 1:10:42
who cares?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:10:43
we've all it's part at least. You're out there, you're sharing it, you're living it.
Vaness Henry: 1:10:47
That's how you learn, you know that's the most third line thing I've ever heard. Yeah, exactly like they're. Let them be your third line you've probably made.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:10:56
So that's where, like, personal discernment comes in. We cannot believe everything we read on the internet so if your responsibility then is the consumer, exactly if you are consuming something that you, what are?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:11:06
you putting in your body. Yeah, that you determine is not for you then and not correct, then you can unfollow that person and tune into a different channel for that. So, yeah, it's there. There's no heart like. I saw this substack newsletter person that I follow, not related to human design at all, like lifestyle whatever New York based, and she did a whole newsletter and she's a she's a writer, she's worked for all these big magazines and things. She did a whole newsletter about how she felt that the culture of Substack was watering down the quality of writing and it was a hot take and it was. It was a bad take, I would say.
Vaness Henry: 1:11:49
I love when you come in with your opinion. I fucking love that. It was a hot take, it was a bad take like this is so power give it to us. I mean.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:11:55
I understood what she was saying because yeah, of course, when you create a platform like the entire internet that allows anybody to say their thing, there's going to be a bunch of drivel out there. That's not high quality. But should you say that people shouldn't create their drivel? No, that's crazy.
Vaness Henry: 1:12:15
Like shut up. Yeah, it kind of reminds me. Do you remember LiveJournal in the 2000s? Were you on that I loved LiveJournal. I would read people's inner thoughts. It's like it was oh yeah, it's just modern journalism yes, it's and you.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:12:29
You just have to have your own discernment if you don't like it. If someone is just posting their listicle of dumb stuff they bought, don't take it it all sounds the same.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:12:37
Basically, I I would actually be shocked if she, if this person, was not a manifester. I think part of what she was responding to was the lack of originality and that was like triggering for her, and I completely understand that she has that type of aura and I get it like it's not that I disagreed, but I just don't think like there is a lot, there's a lot more bad stuff out there, but who cares?
Vaness Henry: 1:12:58
that's just the reality of the whole thing, like there's a lot of bad stuff out there just don't read it.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:13:03
Don't read it. Yeah, I know like people like she was just basically trying to say let's uphold this exclusive structure that stopped. That also stopped a lot of good and important voices from being able to share. So, like there, there was to me a little bit of you know, maybe like white supremacy or patriarchy in that take of of who are you to say what's good and bad, maybe you're not good, love that, love that, which isn't true. She is good, she is good, but but yeah, it was just, it was. It was quite interesting, but ego, right. Why did I go off on that? Oh yeah, it was, it was quite interesting, ego, right. Why did I go off on that? Oh yeah, just like. Yeah, she was kind of saying that only professionals should be writing and sharing their work, but I don't agree with that at all. No, how, how do people become a professional?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:13:55
truly yeah, you start in this world, you can start as an amateur and all of a sudden this is your livelihood. That's what happened to her she. She left her official writing job or her professional writing job salaried writing job to run her own sub stack. So I don't think she can really talk.
Vaness Henry: 1:14:11
I was a little teenage blogger and didn't know I had a writing talent. And it was my teachers who said to me you should probably go in writing. And I was like I want to design, I don't want to. And I didn't get into graphic design. I was gutted because I, like, was going through treatment. I was in the hospital making my portfolio.
Vaness Henry: 1:14:32
I was like putting my heart and soul into it and I just I didn't have, I wasn't at my best self, like I wasn't going to get in, and I was devastated. And they were like you know, you really have something here, kind of calling out the two line and you know, with, with some training, it might really be special. So then I applied to a writing program that had a design feature to it and was top of the class, was like they're like Whoa, who are you? What do you? Let's, let's get you in here, let's do this writing. And I was one of the youngest, I was the second youngest person in the program, and that would not that whole experience would have not even been available to me had I not been putting myself out there vulnerably with my writing you know Completely.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:15:08
I was actually talking to Alan about LiveJournal specifically because I was like, wow, so my friends and I in high school we would spend the whole day together and then we would go home and write our innermost thoughts in our Live journals and read that same and may, maybe or maybe not discuss that with each other. And I think that those years were probably the. It's actually really cool because it was probably the first years in the history of humankind and in the way that all of this internet and digital life will move forward and will probably never end, where people had a separate in-person identity and digital identity that lived completely alongside each other. That's where, like that's where I learned how to write code.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:15:53
Rachel, that's really cool. That's like same. Oh, like uh, neopet.
Vaness Henry: 1:15:56
Yeah, oh my God, For me it was MySpace, like MySpace LiveJournal. That's what taught me HTML, then CSS. And then I ended up I taught web design in colleges and university, Like, and I learned that from fucking around on the. I was not like formally trained in that, taught myself and then was asked to come teach it. So I think I think people have to just, yeah, get into their art and kind of make you know it's crazy.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:16:23
You have to make it accessible for people and yeah, it's the art and kind of make it. You know it's crazy. You have to make it accessible for people and yeah, it's the same thing. I think my my first line really needed like a what I viewed as a stable, mainstream career, probably also some subconscious conditioning from my father, having had that career and he and I are very similar that type of career. But yeah, it was like I was really really good at writing, I was really good at designing, I did all the web design stuff and then I didn't pursue any of that. But then in college I took a computer science class because I had to take a math class and I didn't like math yeah and I took it pass fail.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:16:57
You could do like one of those or something. I don't remember what the rule was and I was like pass fail, I don't want to put energy toward this.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:17:04
And then I got on it and I was like the best person in the class and the teacher like and and so I was getting like straight A's and I was like, and I loved it, I was staying up all night like I was making YouTube videos. The teacher, like my professor, was showing him in every class and then I was like, oh, but I took this pass fail, I need to make it count. So I just didn't turn in a few assignments and he like hunted me down and he's like you're doing so well, you need to keep turning in your assignments.
Vaness Henry: 1:17:27
What a teacher. He was investing in you.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:17:29
That's a real teacher Love, that I know. And then the next it was a really small place, so you know, our class didn't have that many people in it. But and then at the end of the year he was like or maybe the next year, he was like oh, will you do an independent study where you like, design all this creative curriculum for the future computer science student? So I did that, but it's just crazy like that, but I.
Vaness Henry: 1:17:53
But then I didn't pursue any of that like it's so stupid you're, you're sending me back to college when so I'm graduating from, I'm graduating from, creative communication, so I'm getting my. I majored in advertising because that was the most like design of the majors, yeah, so I'm graduating from there and the graphic design department approaches me. I was also. I was also the layout editor, like I was. I did the newspaper. I was just like very in the school. I was like a class rep, love, student council, shit. That's just. You know, I'm that annoying dork. And they approached me, like you know, come to graphic design. Now we want you to come to graphic design. And I was like what the fuck do we need graphic design for now? Like you rejected me first. I have, like the, the design training. Now I don't need you.
Vaness Henry: 1:18:37
But they had wanted me to come in to do some of these. Like there was like special projects that would go on and I was always kind of pseudo affiliated with them and I brought a lot of attention, whatever, to their department and they wanted me to come be. They wanted me to come do something with that. And I was like I don't need you now and I don't want to do anything with this. I don't want the extra projects. I don't want. I don't want more school, like I'm ready to get into the workforce and I would get all the jobs ahead of the graphic design students because I had this other training that had like prepared me to like basically beat them, not even gonna, you know.
Vaness Henry: 1:19:14
And when I came, I came back to the same program 10 years later and I taught in the creative communications program and the same people in the graphic design department were like come to graphic design. I was like I don't need it. Now I've still taught enough that I don't need. I'm not. I don't need to go design the skateboard with you. I don't need to go do these kind of like little things, which it's even you know it's and again, I'm not a graphic designer Like people like can you design me a logo? I'm like I don't do that, like I can arrange a type I can only do it for myself.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:19:45
But you know I'm not an.
Vaness Henry: 1:19:46
I'm not an illustrator. I should say I'm a. I was an art director. So I worked in magazine. I lay out the pages I'm good with like layout. Layout is my specialty, kind of thing. So that's why my graphics all look the way they look and they're very left and organized and whatever. But I don't know how I got on this topic. I'm moving away now.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:20:04
I want to just share like Well, no, I can sum it all up.
Vaness Henry: 1:20:06
Okay, thank you, best of luck.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:20:09
All of that's to say that having these things available for people who didn't get a chance to study them formally or didn't understand that that was their passion or their gift at the time, that's wonderful.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:20:24
That's the point of the Aquarian age is that any at any point in your? Because if for me to start this business I'd had to have studied all these things marketing and writing and all like. I didn't study any of that, but it's still full, it's more available to all of us than ever and you should never gatekeep that from people, because everyone deserves to have no barrier to entry. On that I worked in magazine.
Vaness Henry: 1:20:48
I graduated. I worked at a military newspaper for a really short time and then I got this job in magazine where I was the art director and I was the highest paid on staff. I was 19 years old, it was ridiculous, I made 30 grand. How ridiculous is that? These poor humans, I don't even know what they were making, the poor editors. And I worked there for about a year and a half, which was my formal training, and then I peaced out, went to finance because I started. I was now in remission, I was starting to have health problems and my benefits and my medical wasn't covered and that pissed me off. So I just I took a left and all of a sudden went to finance and I never liked it but I wanted to stick it to the man because I was like I should know this. And now I feel like, thank God I did that, cause I do have some really amazing knowledge that helps me in my career now. But I had to then go get my life license, my mutual fund license. I hated it the whole time Just approaching the wrong, which was not in the right energy doing that and I only had this little. Excuse me, as I say, that I'm forgetting, I did another magazine, sandbox Magazine, which was more of like a not-for-profit in a way, not that it was formally that, but like we didn't make profit.
Vaness Henry: 1:21:53
It became famous. We couldn't keep up with it. We closed it down. It was just a third line experience of mine and I still think about art directing, like if there was a job that came to me and it was like in magazine, I would want it, like I love that. The pressure of laying out the magazine each month or season was kind of challenging but to make a beautiful, I love that. And I think about this like if there was some opportunity that came before me and it's like a classic job and it was that and I know I would get it because I love it and I would nail the portfolio and the presentation and the interview. But like, do I really want to do that? I have such a spaciousness in my life but it's like if it, if it was the right, I don't know where I'm going.
Vaness Henry: 1:22:35
If it was basically what I follow now is, would that be fun?
Rachel Lieberman: 1:22:45
And if the answer is yes, I just I hunt, I'm all in. You know what I mean, all in. So I think about that all the time too, like if there were some more traditional opportunity that came around that was a yes, would I take it. Yes, at the same time, I don't think it will come around because I don't think that we're meant to necessarily like do that. Yes, I'm with you, know what I mean but I would.
Vaness Henry: 1:23:03
I feel like I got like, I feel like that experience helped me for what I do now. You know what I mean? Yeah, but I still drew, I still get magazine subscriptions, like that's my, that's where I come from and it was my journalism star and it's just like and who knows, maybe you're going to do that in like this space at some point too.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:23:20
You know I know people have tried I was talking to.
Vaness Henry: 1:23:22
Jazz about this because we were. I was like my go-to subscriptions are Vogue because they're the authority on fashion and I think Anna Wintour is the mental projector. She might be a splenic projector but that's interesting to me, that she's. She gets blamed for so much that goes in that magazine and she's like I'm just reflecting what's going on in the culture. I also love architectural digest because they're the authority on home decor and interior design and that's what I like. Yeah, and I've also done kinfolk because not that their journalism is what I like, but the quality of the actual magazine is, elite is elite, and so Jazz and I were chatting about this because we both come from magazine.
Vaness Henry: 1:24:02
She was at Teen Vogue for a time. We were like what's the go-to wellness magazine? And nothing came to mind, and it was like what? How is there not that, like I just listed the fashion one, I just listed the interior design or the home one, I guess. And of course there's other magazines. But I'm always looking for the authority on a subject and I was like, if that, if the wellness magazine came out and they needed the art director like and you know, and I was on board with the values and shit.
Vaness Henry: 1:24:32
Yeah, because there's something about each. You're always creating something new. Oh, I loved that and it, and I loved to just man the issue. I found that so rewarding To hold it in my hands.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:24:47
I loved that. It's true, and I think it also speaks to some of the isolation we can feel doing what we do sometimes.
Vaness Henry: 1:24:54
Big, big isolation.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:24:56
I do think that if I had some incredible opportunity, kind of like you're discussing, that allowed me to bring some of this to a more mainstream audience, or something like that, I would take it, because I don't know if you ever feel this, but sometimes I just feel a bit of like ennui about what I do, like well, I could just kind of go on like this forever, but where is this going like?
Vaness Henry: 1:25:21
and it's kind of all just me here and so what do you think then about like the rise in post COVID, like retreats and getting together and hosting these events, like a lot of people I see are doing this. I'm always like I don't know how to do that, so I don't do that, but I would love to, but because it being in person, being in aura.
Vaness Henry: 1:25:41
I would also love if, like in person, being in aura. I would also love if, like you know, raw TV or whatever the company is you know, would do festivals and would you know?
Vaness Henry: 1:25:49
cause, cause. We all know this is so isolating. Wouldn't it be amazing to all meet somewhere, like I would love to speak on a big stage to thousands of people. Don't know if they would want me to do that, but that's my background. That is so fun to me. Then be like now, you fuckers, I'm going to put you in an experiment. Are you ready? Like oh, let's go. Yeah, fun.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:26:09
Like, oh, my god and things like that do exist.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:26:12
They're smaller yeah, there's like someone that I is and things that people there's conferences, but someone that I that I uh have connected with on twitter, who's kind of in the human design astrology space, but outside of our main group. Uh, she asked me if I was going to this one one of those conferences because she's like I'd love to meet you and I was like I would love to meet you too, but like she lives on the east coast whatever, we'll meet eventually. But I looked at that and I was like why don't I ever get invited to things like this? And I'm like, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions, like I think I have really turned down things like that. I think I have made it very clear that I'm not interested in that. So I had to do a little reflecting. But at the same time, I was like, yeah, I, it would have to be the right thing.
Vaness Henry: 1:26:56
I'm like, yeah, like if you're interested in doing a conference, though, like I try and always say festival party like yes, you know exactly this is right. This is the energy that I would only show up for. If you want me to come speak on a panel or do some talk, I'm not interested, because I don't think that's what the people need, and I'm motivated by it.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:27:12
I completely agree. I completely agree. Yeah, it would have to be something fun.
Vaness Henry: 1:27:29
I always dream about putting on a big event, but I can't do it because this is not my thing. But I would love to give energy to someone who was doing that and it was going to be a grand thing. That was more of like not so much a gym riot, but like different, like embodiment, creative workshops yeah, not so much like a sit down talk, listen yeah, that could be sprinkled in Like there's always a keynote speaker that's inspiring at these types of things, but like I would have so much fun designing the experiments I would put people in to get embodied. All the manifestors here, all the projectors here Okay, all the three fives here like just just recategorizing people and having really fun, expansive, moving experiences.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:28:04
That isn't so anchored in like knowledge and learning but, practicing and embodying wouldn't it be so fun and just being around people who have a similar interest to you Truly.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:28:15
Yeah, I think that people are beginning to crave that type of thing again. But it has to be new paradigm. It can't be the old way, cause, yeah, I have no interest in going and listening to someone blah, blah, blah, blah, something it's like, okay, no, thank you. But yeah, if it were some, yeah, really fun thing in a fun place, like all the different environments, all the different, yeah, come on, I have so many ideas for environment experiments.
Vaness Henry: 1:28:41
Oh my God, it would be. I would go. I would go ham on some variable things that people could do.
Vaness Henry: 1:28:45
Yeah, but again I don't know that I would even be the person selected to you know, help initiate that. And and I have heard people be like, well, why don't you initiate that? And I'm like, I'm in canada in a small hidden place, yeah, I'm not connected to some of these hot spots where there's a bigger community of human design goers yeah. So I would need someone who's in one of those hotspots to initiate it and then kind of invite me, or I would come in to help plan and design, but I can't be the guy, I can't be the main guy, yeah.
Vaness Henry: 1:29:15
I'm like here to give energy to the team you know.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:29:18
Yeah, well, I think that because sometimes when I, like I said, when I look to the future and think like, well, let's just go on like this forever, well, it definitely won't, because human design will only become more and more mainstream and I think a lot of us will have huge opportunities.
Vaness Henry: 1:29:36
So what's going to happen there? What are we? I don't know what to expect. I'm going to look to the leader, just like. What are you guys showing us? What are we Now? We going to look to the leader, just like. What are you guys showing us? What are we now? We've got these rave designs and are there two more energy centers? What's you know, now we're sleeping, phoenix, what's you know what's going on, I don't know.
Rachel Lieberman: 1:29:51
Yeah, and I think this, this will be included a lot, you know, a lot of kind of the old wellness stuff and girl boss stuff fell away and covid — that's gone and I think there's a little bit of a vacuum, that will be getting filled in the next few years, where we start to see how these things look moving forward and there will be bigger opportunities for everybody to share or engage in this.
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